NudeTayne Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, Ray Reed said: And if you really wanted to take some souls you need to go back to the Lamar vs Baker threads in 18/19/20 offseasons š I would say this is cherry picking a bit, as most didn't think Lamar would be such an explosive running back; thus comparing him to several quarterbacks back then are now "egg on face" moments retrospectively.Ā TL;DR Everyone was wrong about Lamar Ā Ā Ā Ā until they were right again š. 41 minutes ago, Ray Reed said: Or the consensus QB thread last offseason where it was a ton of ācant wait for Baker to prove all of you wrongā haha That was just me spamming. Also, the quoted paraphrase isn't really soul-taking as all that happened since then is one year with a ton of injuries that he'll most likely make a full recovery from. I wouldn't say anything was proven either way last year, just a TBD. What if Baker starts this year and looks good? What if Lamar starts to get more banged up? Does that prove that his style of football can't last or is it just one year where the guy cracks a rib, bruises his sternum and gets a mild sprain that hangs on for five weeks?Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 5 hours ago, Ray Reed said: There was a legitimate āKitchens > Tomlin I still stand behind this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Forge said: There really was. There was a thread in the comparisons forum around that time and I'm pretty sure that there were comments about him going to the hall of fame.Ā If he goes to the right team and has support for the long-term as face of the franchise, sky is the limit. Will we get to see that theoretical play out after all this Watson intrigue, who knows? It could have played out had Baker not gotten injured and the team sent OBJ out in the off-season--hindsight, of course. And HOF talk after breaking the rookie record on an absolute trash team, truly loving football, some very clutch moments, it's reasonable to speak into existence a possibility. Herbert fans were talking that way after his rookie season and I say the conversation is valid. It's different to talk about potential than saying stuff like a guy is a lock first-ballot etc., which I'm guessing is not what you would find in those HOF convos. It's so weird that a guy gets seriously injured and folks are using that as any kind of point when it happens all the time with other players and nobody, which includes at least half if not more of the fair-weather Browns forum, is criticizing literally anyone else for getting injured one season like they are Baker.Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 19 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: If he goes to the right team and has support for the long-term as face of the franchise, sky is the limit. Will we get to see that theoretical play out after all this Watson intrigue, who knows? It could have played out had Baker not gotten injured and the team sent OBJ out in the off-season--hindsight, of course. And HOF talk after breaking the rookie record on an absolute trash team, truly loving football, some very clutch moments, it's reasonable to speak into existence a possibility. Herbert fans were talking that way after his rookie season and I say the conversation is valid. It's different to talk about potential than saying stuff like a guy is a lock first-ballot etc., which I'm guessing is not what you would find in those HOF convos. It's so weird that a guy gets seriously injured and folks are using that as any kind of point when it happens all the time with other players and nobody, which includes at least half if not more of the fair-weather Browns forum, is criticizing literally anyone else for getting injured one season like they are Baker.Ā Ā Nobody should be thinking someone is going to the HOF 10 games into a players career. You're probably right in that it was lonely a more guarded prognostication and not just like, "baker is going to the hall!", but still lol (and just to be clear, it wasn't multiple people or anything. Just one person, but I can't remember who it was) It's so weird to me that people keep bringing up his injury as though that's the determining factor in how people feel about Baker. He was perfectly healthy before last year started and there was a not too small contingent of people who thought he was mehĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: I would say this is cherry picking a bit, as most didn't think Lamar would be such an explosive running back; thus comparing him to several quarterbacks back then are now "egg on face" moments retrospectively.Ā TL;DR Everyone was wrong about Lamar Ā Ā Ā Ā until they were right again š. That was just me spamming. Also, the quoted paraphrase isn't really soul-taking as all that happened since then is one year with a ton of injuries that he'll most likely make a full recovery from. I wouldn't say anything was proven either way last year, just a TBD. What if Baker starts this year and looks good? What if Lamar starts to get more banged up? Does that prove that his style of football can't last or is it just one year where the guy cracks a rib, bruises his sternum and gets a mild sprain that hangs on for five weeks?Ā Listen pal. One is a HOF RB in his prime. The other will be running back his air freshener orders on Prime because boy does he stink 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Ray Reed said: Listen pal. No, you listen pal! Ā Ā Ā Ā Okay, I'm listening.Ā 3 hours ago, Ray Reed said: One is a HOF RB in his prime. āŗļøš„°š 3 hours ago, Ray Reed said: The other will be running back his air freshener orders on Prime because boy does he stink 6.5/10 Ā Ā Ā Not too shabby. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 4 hours ago, NudeTayne said: It's so weird that a guy gets seriously injured and folks are using that as any kind of point when it happens all the time with other players and nobody, which includes at least half if not more of the fair-weather Browns forum, is criticizing literally anyone else for getting injured one season like they are Baker.Ā Browns fans were harsh on Baker last season but the way you guys hyped him up after his third season was insane. The Browns were supposed to be a super bowl contender last season. He got hurt and that definitely affected his play last year. But as I said before the reason he gets so much hate has a lot to do with the fact that Browns fans hyped him up so much and were wrong.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pscottdai Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 6 hours ago, NYRaider said: Posters that said they thought Baker would be a top 10 QB: ā¢ WizeGuy *** Not a Browns fan ā¢ CandyMan ā¢ Akron's Witness ā¢ Showtime *** Not a Browns fan ā¢ iloxygenil *** Not a Browns fan ā¢ FGK ā¢ Carls_Jr ??? Unsure on this one ā¢ Mega Ron ā¢Ā Dr A W Niloc *** Not a Browns fan ā¢Ā Kiwibrown ā¢Ā Thomas5737 ā¢ Kirill *** Not a Browns fan ā¢ DawgX The list goes on forever. You list 13 examples, 5 of those I have never seen post in the Browns forum in all my years on this and the old site. One I have seen around but not sure if he is a Browns fan or random poster in there. So 40-45% of your proof that "Browns fans" were all the ones pimping him is BS.Ā 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Just now, pscottdai said: You list 13 examples, 5 of those I have never seen post in the Browns forum in all my years on this and the old site. One I have seen around but not sure if he is a Browns fan or random poster in there. So 40-45% of your proof that "Browns fans" were all the ones pimping him is BS.Ā The Browns were high on him after his third season and viewed the team as a potential contender coming into this season. The hype he received, all of his media promotion, and his brash personality are all reasons that people don't like him.Ā I think the hate has definitely gotten out of hand though, he can still be good in the right situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Browns fans were harsh on Baker last season but the way you guys hyped him up after his third season was insane. Harsh is an understatement. Folks kept the pitchforks under the bed even during the good times.Ā I would say he wasn't really that hyped, though, the point we are mostly debating. Thinking he was turning into a top 8-10-12 (which is IMO not elite but very good; there usually aren't more than 6-8 elite QBs at a time, if that) QB isn't that wild an idea based on seasons one and three. IMO you're really underselling the potential he was showing, some real high highs.Ā 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: The Browns were supposed to be a super bowl contender last season. He got hurt and that definitely affected his play last year. But as I said before the reason he gets so much hate has a lot to do with the fact that Browns fans hyped him up so much and were wrong.Ā Baker getting injured last year invalidated any useful assessment on what his trajectory is moving forward. I will again state that the prior sentence would not be controversialĀ unless it was Baker; a quarterback getting injured and without an injury history should not be getting dragged over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJaxxenGuy Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) Itās hard to call it āBaker hateā when itās just an acknowledgment that heās not a good QB or locker room guy. The only real āBaker Hateā I would call is from Browns fans who constantly told us he was the bees knees but broke their necks changing gears into how āhe was never the answer and they knew itā in order to preserve some desperate attempts at a moral high ground in their impending support of a terrible person like Deshaun Watson.Ā Ā the true haters of Baker are the Browns organization and their fans at this point. The Browns organization knows they donāt care about Deshaun Watson abusing women so they had to make the signing about how Baker isnāt an adult and they had no other choice. Thatās where it graduates from an acknowledgment Baker is a mediocre QB to an actual hate-on, imo Edited May 28, 2022 by ThatJaxxenGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 15 hours ago, NYRaider said: CandyMan: Akron's Witness: Showtime: iloxygenil: FGK: We can go on, and on, and on. Showtime and Iloxygenil arenāt browns fans. Thatās my point man. Even AW is a Broncos and Browns fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 10 hours ago, NYRaider said: Posters that said they thought Baker would be a top 10 QB: ā¢ WizeGuy ā¢ CandyMan ā¢ Akron's Witness ā¢ Showtime ā¢ iloxygenil ā¢ FGK ā¢ Carls_Jr ā¢ Mega Ron ā¢Ā Dr A W Niloc ā¢Ā Kiwibrown ā¢Ā Thomas5737 ā¢ Kirill ā¢ DawgX The list goes on forever. Again, 6 guys in that list not Browns fans.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Just now, MWil23 said: Again, 6 guys in that list not Browns fans.Ā We can sit here and do revisionist history all day but Browns fans were pimping Baker for the most part. It's okay, you have Watson now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 3 hours ago, NudeTayne said: Harsh is an understatement. Folks kept the pitchforks under the bed even during the good times. This isnāt true. I kept mine mounted on my wall right beside my Kelly Holcomb jersey shadow boxĀ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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