squire12 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 29 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Undisclosed sources have confirmed that Kyler Murray will donate the last 1/3 of his game checks every season in a show of goodwill for his unique ability to fall off the cliff. first 3 seasons Team W/L games 1-8: 15-9 games 9-16/17: 9-17 TD/INT Games 1-8: 40/18 Games 9-16/17: 30/16 yards per game (rough estimate) games 1-8: 265 games 9-16/17: 215 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Stallyns Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: I fail to see what this has to do w/ the subject..... someone said Brady is 16th and I suggested that I thought he remembered that he always took team friendly deals. WHY he took them is irrelevant, right? Why he took them is very relevant? If your discussing a player who took less money to play for a championship contender then it’s relevant to that discussion. A guy whose wife makes more money then he does, can take less money to allow his teammates to make more, to keep the team competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoSojia Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ReadyToThump said: Can't believe they caved and gave Mighty Midget all that coin. LOL. that's not the... Edited July 21, 2022 by BroncoSojia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, Wyld Stallyns said: Why he took them is very relevant? If your discussing a player who took less money to play for a championship contender then it’s relevant to that discussion. A guy whose wife makes more money then he does, can take less money to allow his teammates to make more, to keep the team competitive. So if the QB's wife makes 10% less than he does, should the QB then go for the max contract? Where is the cutoff on how much the spouse makes before the "taking less" happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 I feel like the best analysis of this, is this is something the Arizona Cardinals simultaneously had to do, but also probably shouldn't have. It would be a really bold move to move on from a QB like Murray, even given the cost, but I do feel like if you give a QB that kind of money, the return almost has to be a superbowl at some point within the terms of that contract, and I don't see that as likely, personally. It's a move you had to make that probably won't justify it's price tag in the end. I really want to see one of these teams choose not to pay the young franchise QB. Don't really care who, I just want to see some team finally pull the trigger on not pulling the trigger, and see how it ends up for them. I get why it's tough for a team, though. Even if you're not high on Murray, a guy of his talent means every year you have the potential to compete, and will probably be an above average team. And it's hard to sell on that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: I dont get the concept of every QB due for an extension needs to become one of the newly highest paid players at their position. Well, there was one QB who won the Super Bowl this year, got a new contract and did not do that. So it's not every QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: I feel like the best analysis of this, is this is something the Arizona Cardinals simultaneously had to do, but also probably shouldn't have. It would be a really bold move to move on from a QB like Murray, even given the cost, but I do feel like if you give a QB that kind of money, the return almost has to be a superbowl at some point within the terms of that contract, and I don't see that as likely, personally. It's a move you had to make that probably won't justify it's price tag in the end. I really want to see one of these teams choose not to pay the young franchise QB. Don't really care who, I just want to see some team finally pull the trigger on not pulling the trigger, and see how it ends up for them. I get why it's tough for a team, though. Even if you're not high on Murray, a guy of his talent means every year you have the potential to compete, and will probably be an above average team. And it's hard to sell on that. I think this move pretty much guarantees they won't win the Super Bowl. But if you're a franchise who hasn't experienced a ton of success like the Cardinals, its probably worth it to have a polarizing player like Murray for jersey sales, ticket sales and general exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, FrantikRam said: Well, there was one QB who won the Super Bowl this year, got a new contract and did not do that. So it's not every QB. He had already had his turn back in 2018. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: I feel like the best analysis of this, is this is something the Arizona Cardinals simultaneously had to do, but also probably shouldn't have. It would be a really bold move to move on from a QB like Murray, even given the cost, but I do feel like if you give a QB that kind of money, the return almost has to be a superbowl at some point within the terms of that contract, and I don't see that as likely, personally. It's a move you had to make that probably won't justify it's price tag in the end. I think deep playoff runs, home playoff games would be " enough" and not necessarily a Superbowl. 2-3 conference title games, division titles. 8 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: I really want to see one of these teams choose not to pay the young franchise QB. Don't really care who, I just want to see some team finally pull the trigger on not pulling the trigger, and see how it ends up for them. I get why it's tough for a team, though. Even if you're not high on Murray, a guy of his talent means every year you have the potential to compete, and will probably be an above average team. And it's hard to sell on that. Baltimore might be that team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamity_Cometh Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 At least they did it now before we see what Burrow, Jackson, and Herbert command. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: I feel like the best analysis of this, is this is something the Arizona Cardinals simultaneously had to do, but also probably shouldn't have. It would be a really bold move to move on from a QB like Murray, even given the cost, but I do feel like if you give a QB that kind of money, the return almost has to be a superbowl at some point within the terms of that contract, and I don't see that as likely, personally. It's a move you had to make that probably won't justify it's price tag in the end. I really want to see one of these teams choose not to pay the young franchise QB. Don't really care who, I just want to see some team finally pull the trigger on not pulling the trigger, and see how it ends up for them. I get why it's tough for a team, though. Even if you're not high on Murray, a guy of his talent means every year you have the potential to compete, and will probably be an above average team. And it's hard to sell on that. Washington essentially did this with Cousins. Not saying Cousins had the ceiling of a Murray, but he is a QB that you can win games with. I think most would argue that move has come to hurt them more than help, but it isn't like the Vikings have exactly been tearing the league apart either so it is hard to say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Packerraymond said: I would've traded him and got the haul TBH, Kyler is great for 10 games but that body mixed with his play style isn't made for a 17 game NFL season + playoff. Did you see their QB situation before him? I'd say him staying healthy is a far safer bet than finding another franchise QB. None of the picks they would get for him would matter one bit if whoever they replace him with sucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Stallyns Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 41 minutes ago, squire12 said: So if the QB's wife makes 10% less than he does, should the QB then go for the max contract? Where is the cutoff on how much the spouse makes before the "taking less" happens? That’s not my decision to make, but it could make an impact on the player’s choice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Wyld Stallyns said: Why he took them is very relevant? If your discussing a player who took less money to play for a championship contender then it’s relevant to that discussion. A guy whose wife makes more money then he does, can take less money to allow his teammates to make more, to keep the team competitive. Why can't a player take less money to keep the team competitive regardless of what his spouse makes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, squire12 said: Why can't a player take less money to keep the team competitive regardless of what his spouse makes? Why would the players willingly give leverage to the owners and GMs when it comes to contract negotiations? It isnt just about them or the team they play for, its about the guys after them as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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