jpaulthe1st Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I’d still have him in the 13-17 range. Unlike Carr stans such as yourself, people that actually watch the games can have changing opinions over time based on player performance. Please go back through the history on my comments regarding Carr prior to and after his departure. I’ve been ready to move on for several years and campaigned hard to trade him last year when his value was at its zenith. Unlike you, I’m consistent with my takes and don’t change my stance from hour to hour.  Edited January 9, 2023 by jpaulthe1st 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 JMD take a lot of flak, but his offense produced the Raiders first NFL rushing champ since 1985. And a Adams broke Mr. Raider's all time receiving mark. Build a defense around this and ...........  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: JMD take a lot of flak, but his offense produced the Raiders first NFL rushing champ since 1985. And a Adams broke Mr. Raider's all time receiving mark. Build a defense around this and ...........  You really going to give credit to JMD for what Jacobs did? Also last year when our recieving options went down Renfrow had a 1000 yard season. This year when our #2 and 3 options went down what did you expect Adams to do?  We have some talented players and Jacobs was very motivated in a contract year. Jacobs was more of an individual effort and Adams had to be force fed. Also Adams made Jacobs job a little bit easier. Our overall offensive output was 1.2 points per game better than last year. We had a garbage offense last year after Ruggs and Gruden were gone. We posted 30 points or more in 4 of our first 7 games last year. This year we did it 5 times all year. Sorry but the offense was worse under JMD than it was under Gruden. So we can build a defense around an offense that scores 22 points per game. Hopefully it gets better but I still do not believe JMD is a good coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 hours ago, jpaulthe1st said: Please go back through the history on my comments regarding Carr prior to and after his departure. I’ve been ready to move on for several years and campaigned hard to trade him last year when his value was at its zenith. Unlike you, I’m consistent with my takes and don’t change my stance from hour to hour.  But a straw man is so much easier to attack. So, why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 hours ago, big_palooka said: JMD take a lot of flak, but his offense produced the Raiders first NFL rushing champ since 1985. And a Adams broke Mr. Raider's all time receiving mark. Build a defense around this and ...........  extra season game also but -props to jj on a contract year tryna secure the bag -adams gonna adams no matter who throwing jmd has to show something esp game management 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 6 hours ago, drfrey13 said: You really going to give credit to JMD for what Jacobs did? Also last year when our recieving options went down Renfrow had a 1000 yard season. This year when our #2 and 3 options went down what did you expect Adams to do?  We have some talented players and Jacobs was very motivated in a contract year. Jacobs was more of an individual effort and Adams had to be force fed. Also Adams made Jacobs job a little bit easier. Our overall offensive output was 1.2 points per game better than last year. We had a garbage offense last year after Ruggs and Gruden were gone. We posted 30 points or more in 4 of our first 7 games last year. This year we did it 5 times all year. Sorry but the offense was worse under JMD than it was under Gruden. So we can build a defense around an offense that scores 22 points per game. Hopefully it gets better but I still do not believe JMD is a good coach. Preach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 McDaniels was great in the first half of games lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlenlyKenny Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 hours ago, big_palooka said: JMD take a lot of flak, but his offense produced the Raiders first NFL rushing champ since 1985. And a Adams broke Mr. Raider's all time receiving mark. Build a defense around this and ...........  That's absolutely true. What he did with the offense from a production standpoint was impressive. He also did it with Waller and Renfrow missing a ton of games. A 1,600 yard back, and a reciever with 100 catches 1,500 yards and 10+ touchdowns. Very nice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 If the offense was so impressive then why did DC get benched. Make it make sense. DC was screwed, a couple bad games in a new system and he’s gone. Even if we get Brady, we have no chance until we improve the Defense. OL overachieved and is average at best. You know the defense is trash when teams are mocking us by running in circles. Our defense is a joke, and a laughing stock around the league. But let’s blame everything in DC who actually showed up. Between Mcdaniels getting out coached every week with in game adjustments, and that pathetic defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styrian Raider Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 7 hours ago, drfrey13 said: You really going to give credit to JMD for what Jacobs did? Also last year when our recieving options went down Renfrow had a 1000 yard season. This year when our #2 and 3 options went down what did you expect Adams to do? Who do you think is responsible for blocking schemes, formations, play design or play selection? It's okay to be disappointed from this season or JMD. But you should also give props where they belong. And JMD's scheme is for sure a reason why Jacobs is rushing leader of the NFL. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 7 hours ago, KlenlyKenny said: That's absolutely true. What he did with the offense from a production standpoint was impressive. He also did it with Waller and Renfrow missing a ton of games. A 1,600 yard back, and a reciever with 100 catches 1,500 yards and 10+ touchdowns. Very nice. And if the games ended at half time the Raiders would have the number 1 seed. However JMD could not produce offense in the second half that’s a big problem. It’s like he got figured out, it makes me worried that next season DCs might have his number. JMD feels like he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room these types rarely change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 14 hours ago, drfrey13 said: You really going to give credit to JMD for what Jacobs did? No. Josh Jacobs did that himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: If the offense was so impressive then why did DC get benched. Make it make sense. DC was screwed, a couple bad games in a new system and he’s gone. Even if we get Brady, we have no chance until we improve the Defense. OL overachieved and is average at best. You know the defense is trash when teams are mocking us by running in circles. Our defense is a joke, and a laughing stock around the league. But let’s blame everything in DC who actually showed up. Between Mcdaniels getting out coached every week with in game adjustments, and that pathetic defense You back from your break already? To "make it make sense" ..... Carr was was playing small in the pocket, not letting plays develop and missing wide open WRs. Go follow anyone who breaks down film for a living on Carr. The tape don't lie. He wasn't a fit and not worth risking injury and having to pay. Nobody is blaming everything on Carr. He's was far from the only problem. But he was not the solution and he's proved that for 9 years now. Edited January 10, 2023 by big_palooka 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 These darn player keep supporting the coach you all hate so much.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, big_palooka said: These darn player keep supporting the coach you all hate so much.... Stockholm syndrome is a hell of a thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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