battle2heaven Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, CriminalMind said: Exactly. trade up for franchise QBs I’m a big cj stroud guy this year. But that move up cost is gunna be too much. they will really have to love Levis or Richardson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, battle2heaven said: they will really have to love Levis or Richardson. Don’t be shocked when Levis goes #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: Don’t be shocked when Levis goes #1 Won’t be shocked at anything but that seems like a mistake lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, vikesfan89 said: How do the 3rd-5th Qbs in the draft compare to in previous drafts? They'd really have to be a believer in one of those to make that move Yep. If you don’t identify a guy you believe is “the guy,” then you’re just wasting assets to pick “a guy.” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplexing Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) With 4 draft picks and cap space being tight, as well as several key free agents likely leaving, this is NOT the offseason to draft a QB to replace Cousins in 2024. Trading back from position 2x? in round one might be wise, but only if it is for a few spots in exchange for a 4th round pick. Recall that there are quite a few injured DBs and OL of which most will likely be able to return in 2023. That suggests the front 7 on D, whether it be a 3-4 or 4-3, should be the focus of the first two picks. There are always good IOL and WRs available in free agency. One or two expendable TEs and RBs under contract might be traded for lower round draft picks, which could be packaged to move up in an earlier round for an impact player on D. It isn't wise to do so for a WR or QB because the Defense is in such bad shape. Edited January 18, 2023 by Purplexing Add clarification in 'One or two TEs, RBs' sentence. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Cap Space can be created. Extend Hunter & Hock, Restructure Smith, Cut Thielen, Cook, Kendricks, Z Smith, Hicks, Ham. Sign Duke. Move back to 4-3 defensive scheme. Trade #23 + 2024 1st for QBOTF. Don’t change Cousins contract & let him start 2023 season (final year). QBOTF is the starter (with no Kirk on roster) in 2024. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, CriminalMind said: Move back to 4-3 defensive scheme. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, CriminalMind said: Trade #23 + 2024 1st for QBOTF. Don’t change Cousins contract & let him start 2023 season (final year). QBOTF is the starter (with no Kirk on roster) in 2024. This is essential if we want to win a SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 12 hours ago, SemperFeist said: Don’t be shocked when Levis goes #1 A lot is going to come back on how big Bryce Young actually is. I’m sure the media will be all over this once the big medias draft season really starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 14 hours ago, CriminalMind said: This seems like a big excuses. “Not in a position to draft that successor” that’s a cop out. They can easily give up an additional 1st and move up for a QB to sit behind Kirk for a year (and take over the 2024 season) with a nice low cap number. You may feel that it's a cop out, but you also have to factor in all the circumstances and the reality of the situation is clear as far as I'm concerned. As it stands now, with only 4 picks this year (a 5th when the comp picks come out) and only 5 already for next year, you could give up a future 1st, but then you've screwed your team over for the long term. People like to use the Chiefs as an example...they had 8 picks before they traded up to get Mahomes and even without the 1st rd pick in 2018, they still had 6 picks in that draft. With the Vikings' needs, I believe it would be irresponsible roster management to trade up to get a QB in this draft. Sure, he could sit out and take over in 2024...with a defense likely even worse than it is now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, viking said: This is essential if we want to win a SB. No, it is not. It is essential to have a competent defense. It doesn't need to be great with the offensive pieces already in place, but it needs to be competent. If people are old enough to remember 1998, they would know that to be the case. Edited January 18, 2023 by swede700 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, swede700 said: No, it is not. It is essential to have a competent defense. It doesn't need to be great with the offensive pieces already in place, but it needs to be competent. If people are old enough to remember 1998, they would know that to be the case. Incorrect. We aren't winning a SB without a franchise QB on a rookie deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, swede700 said: You may feel that it's a cop out, but you also have to factor in all the circumstances and the reality of the situation is clear as far as I'm concerned. As it stands now, with only 4 picks this year (a 5th when the comp picks come out) and only 5 already for next year, you could give up a future 1st, but then you've screwed your team over for the long term. People like to use the Chiefs as an example...they had 8 picks before they traded up to get Mahomes and even without the 1st rd pick in 2018, they still had 6 picks in that draft. With the Vikings' needs, I believe it would be irresponsible roster management to trade up to get a QB in this draft. Sure, he could sit out and take over in 2024...with a defense likely even worse than it is now. Trade cousins when the rookie starts in 2024 to replenish draft picks. Use the ~30m cap saving the rookie QB deal brings to invest in other areas of the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 minute ago, viking said: Incorrect. We aren't winning a SB without a franchise QB on a rookie deal. No, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I've never said they can't do that. But it doesn't matter who the QB is, they aren't winning a Super Bowl in 2023 or 2024 with the defense as it currently stands. They need to prioritize getting more young talent on the defense this year. 2024 is when they should consider the QB position. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, viking said: Trade cousins when the rookie starts in 2024 to replenish draft picks. Use the ~30m cap saving the rookie QB deal brings to invest in other areas of the team No one is trading multiple picks for a then 36-yr old Kirk Cousins. They'd be lucky to get more than the 3rd rounder that the Falcons got for Matt Ryan. Edited January 18, 2023 by swede700 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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