Broncofan Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) @Dbrog24 re: cap. As long as the team’s a contender there’s a 3+ year cap window to manage contracts. It’s going to get tougher with each year pushing the cap hit back further - but restructures for guys with big 2024 salaries & adding voidable years to extensions can easily manage guys like Jeudy. Until we start seeing restructures / extensions with voidable years the cap is easily managed. The flip side is there’s definitely a year of reckoning (sometimes 2 if you don’t dive in completely) but the new cap rules since TB12’s signing in TAM basically translate to “if you contend you can push cap hell back 3+ years (and longer if you hit a massive great draft like NO 2017 or SEA 2022)”. TL:DR - 2024 will be very manageable if we think we’re a legit contender. Even 2025 can be managed. One year you do have to pay the piper in a massive way but teams can usually choose the year (when it’s time to embrace the full rebuild). Edited March 17, 2023 by Broncofan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 hours ago, jolly red giant said: Just looking at the contracts Wilson goes from $22m this year to $35.4m next year Allen $7.25m to $20.25m McGlinchy $6m to $18.5m Powers $5.25m to $15.25m Stidham jumps $3m Singleton jumps $4m That's $56m in cap space next year that will have to be found - there is a lot of creative accounting to be done. Great post! The loss of Mike Sullivan, our cap guru, seems to be rearing it's ugly head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 5 hours ago, Broncofan said: @Dbrog24 re: cap. As long as the trans a contender there’s a 3+ year cap window to manage contracts. It’s going to get tougher with each year pushing the cap hit back further - but restructures for guys with big 2024 salaries & adding voidable years to extensions can easily manage guys like Jeudy. Until we start seeing restructures / extensions with voidable years the cap is easily managed. The flip side is there’s definitely a year of reckoning (sometimes 2 if you don’t dive in completely) but the new cap rules since TB12’s signing in TAM basically translate to “if you contend you can push cap hell back 3+ years (and longer if you hit a massive great draft like NO 2017 or SEA 2022)”. TL:DR - 2024 will be very manageable if we think we’re a legit contender. Even 2025 can be managed. One year you do have to pay the piper in a massive way but teams can usually choose the year (when it’s time to embrace the full rebuild). Even in "full optimism mode" I can't picture us being a contender in 2024 or 25. Really, not in the foreseeable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 9 hours ago, AKRNA said: Even in "full optimism mode" I can't picture us being a contender in 2024 or 25. Really, not in the foreseeable future. The Q was whether the cap can be managed with all the signings, though. The cap rules basically allow teams to decide when they want to get healthy cap-wise, that's the main point. When that time should happen, of course, is a different discussion. If the signings take and we're a legit playoff team, then the rules enable the cap crunch to be put off 3+ years. If we're a bad team, no sense in waiting - but that choice on when to bite the bullet is very flexible nowadays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly red giant Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 12 hours ago, AKRNA said: Even in "full optimism mode" I can't picture us being a contender in 2024 or 25. Really, not in the foreseeable future. The obvious decision is to tank for Arch Manning, clearing the dead cap - but a lot of other teams will as well - and the NFL will probably introduce a lottery for the top five or top ten picks before then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncos_fan _from _uk Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 12 hours ago, AKRNA said: Even in "full optimism mode" I can't picture us being a contender in 2024 or 25. Really, not in the foreseeable future. I think they are giving Russ one last shot to redeem himself this year. If he flames out again things are set up to eat sh-t and salary dump in 1-2 years. Likely to try to get manning 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, broncos_fan _from _uk said: I think they are giving Russ one last shot to redeem himself this year. If he flames out again things are set up to eat sh-t and salary dump in 1-2 years. Likely to try to get manning Do we know what year Arch will be eligible? Peyton and Eli both, IIRC, went all 4 years and Tennessee and Ole Miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBruin Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Arch is not even the best QB in his high school class. That would be Dante Moore. Tbh if his name wasn’t Manning he’d be ranked behind a handful of guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan_101 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 hours ago, broncos_fan _from _uk said: I think they are giving Russ one last shot to redeem himself this year. If he flames out again things are set up to eat sh-t and salary dump in 1-2 years. Likely to try to get manning Looking at our cap sheet, this is a 2 year window. After 2024, the amount of guaranteed money plummets, especially for the guys that have been signed this week. That will be the pivot point, where we either double down and add a bunch of void years down the road, or we cut everyone and start a complete rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBruin Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, broncosfan_101 said: Looking at our cap sheet, this is a 2 year window. After 2024, the amount of guaranteed money plummets, especially for the guys that have been signed this week. That will be the pivot point, where we either double down and add a bunch of void years down the road, or we cut everyone and start a complete rebuild. That’s true but the Russ contract specifically is structured to force a decision on Russ next offseason or it becomes even more of an albatross for the next two years. So you could be in a weird spot next year where you have a ton of money tied up in the roster with nothing at QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan_101 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, BroncoBruin said: That’s true but the Russ contract specifically is structured to force a decision on Russ next offseason or it becomes even more of an albatross for the next two years. So you could be in a weird spot next year where you have a ton of money tied up in the roster with nothing at QB. Or a nice pillow year for a rookie QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, broncosfan_101 said: Or a nice pillow year for a rookie QB? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 5 hours ago, BroncoBruin said: That’s true but the Russ contract specifically is structured to force a decision on Russ next offseason or it becomes even more of an albatross for the next two years. So you could be in a weird spot next year where you have a ton of money tied up in the roster with nothing at QB. Regardless of the contract they also threw massive draft assets to acquire him. It not just the numbers in the contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan_101 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, AkronsWitness said: Regardless of the contract they also threw massive draft assets to acquire him. It not just the numbers in the contract. Can’t imagine the Walmarts not understanding what a sunk cost is. If Unliiiimited stinks again this year, I’d expect them to write the final cheque and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncos67 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 7 hours ago, broncosfan_101 said: Can’t imagine the Walmarts not understanding what a sunk cost is. If Unliiiimited stinks again this year, I’d expect them to write the final cheque and move on. Exactly. Who cares what draft assets were given up at this point? Atlanta is doing the kind of rebuild worth emulating if it gets to that point. Sign a veteran, ride it out and build the rest of the team accordingly, then go in for the QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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