2024 WR Talk

[Scoundrel]

 

1 hour ago, MagicMT said:

Who are the other 4? 
Something like MHJ / Nabers / Odunze / Coleman ? 

I have Nabers as #2 so far, but Odunze to me is closer to him (and being the second best WR) than he is from being the 4th WR (Coleman). 
If he is Courtland Sutton than this is pre-ACL Sutton at least. I think he's a great athlete with great hands, awesome body positioning/control and runs good routes to boot. What makes you rank him lower than consensus? 
 

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[Chrissooner49er]

Not a 1st or 2nd round prospect by any means and may not even be taken until Day 3, but being a Sooner alum, I have got to mention Drake Stoops. I think he will be a very good slot type. 

[jetjuice]

On 11/27/2023 at 4:08 PM, MagicMT said:

I have Nabers as #2 so far, but Odunze to me is closer to him (and being the second best WR) than he is from being the 4th WR (Coleman). 
If he is Courtland Sutton than this is pre-ACL Sutton at least. I think he's a great athlete with great hands, awesome body positioning/control and runs good routes to boot. What makes you rank him lower than consensus? 
 

I'm with you here, really like Odunze and he's got solid production to back it up. My comp was a taller Keenan Allen with more of a vertical game.

Nabers = mini AJ Brown to me

[BetterCallSaul]

3 hours ago, jetjuice said:

I'm with you here, really like Odunze and he's got solid production to back it up. My comp was a taller Keenan Allen with more of a vertical game.

Nabers = mini AJ Brown to me

Odunze is nowhere near the route technician.

And Nabers is great…but nothing like AJ Brown, who wins with raw power at the catch point. Nabers is a superstar route runner with crazy acceleration. He isn’t a brute like Brown. At all. 

Edited November 29, 2023 by BetterCallSaul

[NYRaider]

2 hours ago, BetterCallSaul said:

Odunze is nowhere near the route technician.

And Nabers is great…but nothing like AJ Brown, who wins with raw power at the catch point. Nabers is a superstar route runner with crazy acceleration. He isn’t a brute like Brown. At all. 

I saw Nabers compared to Diggs recently

[jetjuice]

13 hours ago, BetterCallSaul said:

Odunze is nowhere near the route technician.

And Nabers is great…but nothing like AJ Brown, who wins with raw power at the catch point. Nabers is a superstar route runner with crazy acceleration. He isn’t a brute like Brown. At all. 

I think that description of AJ is selling him extremely short. Yes he’s physical and can win with power, but acting like he’s not technical and a great route runner himself is disingenuous. Hence why I said “mini” AJ Brown. Nabers trades off some of that size and power for speed, but both move with a similar gait and look a lot alike after the catch, with Nabers having 30 missed tackles forced.

As for Odunze that was mostly a testament to his insane body control and agility for a big WR. He’s more nimble and athletic than pre-ACL Sutton. I’m sure there’s better comps for both, but as the Jets continue to fade into irrelevancy I’ll be doing deeper dives into this class. 

Edited November 29, 2023 by jetjuice

[BetterCallSaul]

10 hours ago, NYRaider said:

I saw Nabers compared to Diggs recently

That isn't bad. I was surprised by how much I liked Nabers. He's freaking smooth in everything he does. I was thinking Terry McLaurin, but Scary Terry and Diggs are close complements to each other anyways, IMO. Diggs/Nabers might have better open-field RAC vision, but all three of those guys are about the same size, are smooth, explosive, and run precise routes.

[jetjuice]

On 11/27/2023 at 5:07 PM, Rich7sena said:

I don't think Odunze has any outstanding traits besides his size. He's not especially quick, fast, or strong. He's the type of receiver I think of coming out of Michigan over the years (e.g. Nico Collins, Donovan Peoples-Jones, Braylon Edwards). A decade ago, he would definitely go top 10. Ultimately, his type of archetype ends up being a lower volume WR2-type, which makes him more of a back-end of the first-round type for me. His best outcome for me is him becoming a Michael Pittman-type receiver, but he hasn't shown that yet.

His body control is very good. 

The more I watch Odunze, the more I do see Michael Pittman Jr. in him actually. And that's not a slight at all. Keenan comp by me was off and extends only to his body control and not his overall route running abilities. 

[BetterCallSaul]

8 minutes ago, jetjuice said:

As for Odunze that was mostly a testament to his insane body control and agility for a big WR. He’s more nimble and athletic than pre-ACL Sutton. I’m sure there’s better comps for both, but as the Jets continue to fade into irrelevancy I’ll be doing deeper dives into this class. 

Yeah I have questions about Odunze. He reminds me way too much of Laquon Treadwell. Yeah he can win some jump balls and is a threat in the red zone, but he's not a very sudden player, doesn't get a lot of separation, and isn't a ht/wt/spd freak either. He has 1 really good ability, but I don't expect him to be a dynamic player between the 20's.

[jetjuice]

4 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said:

Yeah I have questions about Odunze. He reminds me way too much of Laquon Treadwell. Yeah he can win some jump balls and is a threat in the red zone, but he's not a very sudden player, doesn't get a lot of separation, and isn't a ht/wt/spd freak either. He has 1 really good ability, but I don't expect him to be a dynamic player between the 20's.

That's a fair assessment. Wonder if Treadwell's career would've been different if not for the freak leg injury. I def like Odunze better than Treadwell coming out but Treadwell was a guy who truly lacked any special traits. That was a weird WR year.

Now that we're having this conversation, I wonder if Coleman will leapfrog Odunze on physical traits, because that dude is a specimen.

Edited November 29, 2023 by jetjuice

[BetterCallSaul]

1 hour ago, jetjuice said:

Now that we're having this conversation, I wonder if Coleman will leapfrog Odunze on physical traits, because that dude is a specimen.

I think Coleman has clearly leapfrogged Odunze already.

[DirtyDez]

 

[Rich7sena]

What are people’s thoughts on Troy Franklin? I’m not sure that he’s not a better prospect than Odunze.

[Dr A W Niloc]

These numbers look a lot like the QB ones, making me suspect that the 3rd and 4th WR picks might turn out to be better investments than the top two.

Pik Team DraftBuzz 40Yd  Draft Player    College    PFF  Rank Dif Tall Lbs

2nd Ariz  1st 94.0 4.39  Marvin Harrison Ohio St    2nd   5th -36 6'4" 205
10. T.B.  2nd 92.0 4.40  Malik Nabers    LSU        8th  13th  +2 6"0" 200
17. Cinc  4th 88.2 4.45  Rome Odunze     Washington  10   3rd -20 6'3" 215
18. Buff  9th 87.0 4.45  Keon Coleman    Florida St  20   4th -59 6'4" 215
19. N.O. 15th 85.3 4.50  Adonai Mitchell Texas       29   7th  +6 6'4" 196
31. K.C.  5th 88.0 4.30  Emeka Egbuka    Ohio St     23   5th -36 6'1" 206
33. Crla  7th 87.4 4.29  Xavier Worthy   Texas       36   7th  +6 6'1" 172
54. Pitt  8th 87.1 4.35  Troy Franklin   Oregon      62   6th -53 6'3" 187
57. Dall 14th 85.4 4.47  Brian Thomas Jr LSU         69  13th  +2 6'4" 205
61. Balt 23rd 82.1 4.48  Devontez Walker N Crla     100  33rd -18 6'3" 200
62. Detr 20th 83.5 4.37  Roman Wilson    Michigan   129   2nd -51 6'0" 192
68. Chic 11th 85.8 4.59  Ladd McConkey   Georgia     60   1st -57 6'0" 185
69. NYGs  3rd 88.5 4.29  Xavier Legette  S Crla      32  57th +51 6'3" 227
73. Jets 12th 85.6 4.48  Ja’Lynn Polk    Wash        39   3rd -20 6'2" 204
80. Indi 17th 84.2 4.45  Tory Horton     Colrdo St  103   102 Evn 6'2" 190
90. Jkvl 19th 83.6 4.38  Jalen McMillan  Wash       122   3rd -20 6'1" 192
99. N.E. 35th 80.4 4.49  Will Sheppard   Vanderbilt WR17  114 +95 6'3" 198
107 Atla 24th 82.0 4.38  JM Sturdivant   UCLA        97  36th -30 6'3" 205
123 S.F. 13th 85.6 4.46  Malachi Corley  W Kentucky  61  78th -36 5'11 210
129 Clev 22nd 82.6 4.50  Jamari Thrash   Louisville 133  15th -41 6'1" 185
133 NYGs 16th 84.8 4.38  Brenden Rice    USC         95  37th +16 6'3" 210
135 Wash 27th 81.5 4.41  Ainias Smith    Texas A&M  WR22 39th  +2 5'10 200
148 Tenn 55th 74.0 4.43  Tahj Washington USC        WR23 37th +16 5'10 175
165 Miam 29th 81.1 4.40  Jacob Cowing    Arizona    WR24 14th -46 5'11 175
184 Atla ---- ---- 4.60  Jayden Thomas   Notre Dame WR25 16th -45 6'1" 220
204 LACh ---- ---- 4.48  Colbie Young    Miami (FL) WR26 35th -15 6'4" 215
211 Hous  6th 87.5 4.42  Johnny Wilson   Florida St  51   4th -59 6'7" 237
223 K.C. ---- ---- 4.88  Javon Baker     UCF        WR28 66th +12 6'0" 180

Key

Pik = Pro Football Network mock draft position.
Team = Anticipated NFL drafter.
DraftBuzz = Rank and Rating from Draft Buzz.
40Yd = 40 Yard Dash time.
PFF = PFF power ranking or, if "WR##", order taken in mock draft.
Rank = Rank of alma mater.
Dif = Rank of alma mater minus average opponent ranking (SOS).
Tall = Height.
LBs = Weight in pounds.

 

[Shylo3716]

13 hours ago, Rich7sena said:

What are people’s thoughts on Troy Franklin? I’m not sure that he’s not a better prospect than Odunze.

After draft day, he will be the receiver that everyone will say why wasn’t he picked higher. I feel as if he will emerge in a similar fashion to George Pickens for those who did not follow Pickens throughout high school and collegiate play.