waterfish_21 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 On 12/11/2017 at 6:17 PM, OleXmad said: Fair enough people proclaiming him as the next "Rodgers,brees etc." were totally overhyping him. Same with Wentz this year, Prescott last year, and *insert 2018 rookie QB here*. Deshone kizer the next Brady, calling it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 hours ago, Forge said: In fairness, through the first three years (with both having rough 4th years), it's isn't as big of a reach as people would think now. We just have seen so much more of Dalton at this point, that we know what he is - a middle of the road NFL starter who you always want to replace but seldom have a better replacement plan for. Carr is definitely the superior guy...slightly better in most facets and far, far better at caring for the football through their first three years, but it's probably closer than people think / remember. Dalton through year 3 wasn't just the quarterback purgatory we view him as now. He was viewed as a potential franchise quarterback type. 1 I agree, but we're talking about right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperVisor Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 He was never actually great last year. People are extremely biased to shiny highlights and winz but don't care to examine below the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 On 12/28/2017 at 3:03 AM, ViperVisor said: He was never actually great last year. People are extremely biased to shiny highlights and winz but don't care to examine below the surface. They made so many gutsy calls to go for the win as well.. The ball just bounce their way a lot. That saints 2 pt conversion in the dome was just insane. That team was rolling. Maybe could have won it all last year had Carr not gotten hurt.. I hate injuries unless it's the eagles. jk. @Danger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 hour ago, El ramster said: They made so many gutsy calls to go for the win as well.. The ball just bounce their way a lot. That saints 2 pt conversion in the dome was just insane. That team was rolling. Maybe could have won it all last year had Carr not gotten hurt.. I hate injuries unless it's the eagles. jk. @Danger I have no gripes with you rammy. Can't say that about some of your brethren but you're cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Ducks Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 The crappy tattoos ruined his life. Don't get crappy tattoos, kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 37 minutes ago, Oregon Ducks said: The crappy tattoos ruined his life. Don't get crappy tattoos, kids. I thought it was the eye shadow and his choice of denim outfits that was his downfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Chiefer said: I thought it was the eye shadow and his choice of denim outfits that was his downfall That Mascara is sick though.. I have green eyes and wish I had that lol. some Jack sparrow type of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Ducks Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 hours ago, El ramster said: That Mascara is sick though.. I have green eyes and wish I had that lol. some Jack sparrow type of thing. Ay si ay si, muy Español el Rammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 It's interesting how last season we were told that Carr was top five, the Raiders had the second best OL in the league, and that they had very good receivers. You would think with an elite OL and good receivers, a borderline top five QB would do better than 3900 yards with a 96 passer rating as Carr did last year. Carr last season really wasn't that good even with solid to good receiver play and elite pass protection. He was mostly hyped up because he was a young QB who led fourth quarter comebacks on what seemed to be a young and up and coming team. Then he hit a potential wall, his team regressed, and he went down with everyone because he was average and mostly a product of the talent around him enabling him to post good but not great numbers. IMO, he is fairly similar to Jay Cutler in play style, physical attributes, and with regard to getting overhyped after a good but not great third season on a great offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 23 minutes ago, patriotsheatyan said: It's interesting how last season we were told that Carr was top five, the Raiders had the second best OL in the league, and that they had very good receivers. You would think with an elite OL and good receivers, a borderline top five QB would do better than 3900 yards with a 96 passer rating as Carr did last year. Carr last season really wasn't that good even with solid to good receiver play and elite pass protection. He was mostly hyped up because he was a young QB who led fourth quarter comebacks on what seemed to be a young and up and coming team. Then he hit a potential wall, his team regressed, and he went down with everyone because he was average and mostly a product of the talent around him enabling him to post good but not great numbers. IMO, he is fairly similar to Jay Cutler in play style, physical attributes, and with regard to getting overhyped after a good but not great third season on a great offense. He's a borderline top 10 QB (top 12 IMO) not top 5. But so what if he doesn't have elite stats? He played well enough to get his team to 12-4 until he broke his leg and the Raiders struggled without him. He was clearly good last season, that's not even up for debate he elevated his play from his second season and made a pretty solid jump in play from year to year. I'd say it was all of the above along with a back injury that I'd say he rushed back from, It's more than just the talent around him regressing it's the coaching which has been awful for the most of the year along with a terrible raiders defense. The raiders in 2017 are not a good team and there's only so much a QB can do when his team struggles around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 On 12/28/2017 at 1:53 AM, waterfish_21 said: Deshone kizer the next Brady, calling it Brady Quinn? He's not even close to matching the Q, Greek god of the oceans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 7 hours ago, El ramster said: That Mascara is sick though.. I have green eyes and wish I had that lol. some Jack sparrow type of thing. The proper term is MANscera. Good Lord, haven't heard that term since Daughtry getting big. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 6 hours ago, patriotsheatyan said: It's interesting how last season we were told that Carr was top five, the Raiders had the second best OL in the league, and that they had very good receivers. You would think with an elite OL and good receivers, a borderline top five QB would do better than 3900 yards with a 96 passer rating as Carr did last year. Carr last season really wasn't that good even with solid to good receiver play and elite pass protection. He was mostly hyped up because he was a young QB who led fourth quarter comebacks on what seemed to be a young and up and coming team. Then he hit a potential wall, his team regressed, and he went down with everyone because he was average and mostly a product of the talent around him enabling him to post good but not great numbers. IMO, he is fairly similar to Jay Cutler in play style, physical attributes, and with regard to getting overhyped after a good but not great third season on a great offense. 3 Because the Raiders were top 3 in drops. If you adjusted to league average in drops as it affected his completion percentage and YPA, Carr's passer rating would be in the mid 100's. That's not even counting the large amount of dropped touchdowns last year. He also didn't even play a game so the 3900 are misleading. Carr was absolutely fantastic toward the end of last year. It wasn't just stats. I find it hard to believe that he didn't have one of the best 5 or 6 seasons at qb last year. He was "average" and mostly a product of the talent around him? Please sit down. These Carr takes are getting disgusting. This and the Dalton/Flacco takes are pretty awful. Now jay cutler and the above. I can't wait to see everyone backtrack next year again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Jay Cutler? I don't see Derek Carr ever throwing as many as 26 interceptions, leading the NFL. Nor do I ever see Cutler throwing 30 plus touchdowns. Their play styles are completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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