squire12 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 minutes ago, incognito_man said: If you still think there's a chance Fields MIGHT take a big step, maybe it happens with Williams breathing down his neck. Possible. 3rd OC in 4 years makes that a pretty big leap 12 minutes ago, incognito_man said: The more good QBs you have, the better If Fields was good, they wouldn't need to consider drafting a QB at 1.1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Vince Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 13 hours ago, Lodestar said: They're picking Williams or Maye. I believe this is the case. After watching Stroud lead the Texans to the playoffs no way are the Bears letting one of these guys get away. They won't make that mistake again. I believe it will be Williams which I'm fine with. Williams is on the smallish side and not as athletic as Fields. Fields is much bigger and stronger, that's the only reason he was able to take the hits and punishment. A smaller Williams will get destroyed and ruined behind that line. Edited January 11 by St Vince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, incognito_man said: Obvious solution to me is to take your fave QB at 1 and then have a legitimate competition giving Fields the inside lane. There's 0% chance the Bears do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: There's 0% chance the Bears do that. I know. They're inept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 9 hours ago, incognito_man said: I know. They're inept. QB is weird because it's so zero sum.... at any other position (with very few exceptions ...maybe C or lockdown corner) a rookie or role player can sub in for a few plays and it's no big deal. If your preferred starter at QB isnt taking every snap possible though, it's "O NOES CONTROVERSY" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 The Bears just don't have the stability/leash in the GM or HC to pull off Fields or Williams. They are darned if they do and darned if they don't. Taking Williams means you should trade Fields. Not a big deal. It can happen. But then to get the best out of Williams, they need a HC and GM that can have a long leash so as to sign a decent vet QB and let Williams sit and learn for a season. Rushing Williams out there likely doesn't win enough for them to keep their jobs. Keeping Fields and passing on the Qb's means they had better win next year. Really win. And with how Justin reads defenses, or doesn't read defenses, I don't feel like that can happen, regardless of the pieces they put around him. Just my thoughts, but they just don't have the stability to pull either of these off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 14 hours ago, squire12 said: If Fields was good, they wouldn't need to consider drafting a QB at 1.1 Playing Devil's Advocate here... The Bears played a LOT better after game 11 or 12. I would say similar to the Lions last season. Their defense was better, but they also scored a lot more too. Give Fields the benefit of the doubt here, let's say that he is a perfect 16th best QB in the league from here on out. If you think Williams is Andrew Luck, don't you have to take him? I can see a world where the Bears compete with Fields. They finished the season 5-3 (don't worry about the schedule, we are giving Fields the benefit of the doubt). But they also find themselves with the number one pick. Where that team currently is, they always have to consider taking the potential top tier QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 The week 18 game vs GB showed me that Fields hasn't progressed worth a damn, and CHI still doesn't trust him to do anything beyond the basics. There's no way I could stick with Fields and hope he gets better if I am the Bears GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebpackfan Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 51 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: Playing Devil's Advocate here... The Bears played a LOT better after game 11 or 12. I would say similar to the Lions last season. Their defense was better, but they also scored a lot more too. Counterpoint: they scored 9 points on a Joe Barry defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilltray Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said: Playing Devil's Advocate here... The Bears played a LOT better after game 11 or 12. I would say similar to the Lions last season. Their defense was better, but they also scored a lot more too. Give Fields the benefit of the doubt here, let's say that he is a perfect 16th best QB in the league from here on out. If you think Williams is Andrew Luck, don't you have to take him? I can see a world where the Bears compete with Fields. They finished the season 5-3 (don't worry about the schedule, we are giving Fields the benefit of the doubt). But they also find themselves with the number one pick. Where that team currently is, they always have to consider taking the potential top tier QB. I don't think he can play from the pocket and go through progressions. At the end of the day that means his ceiling is a wildcard level team and early exit even if you're successful loading up around him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 15 minutes ago, spilltray said: I don't think he can play from the pocket and go through progressions. At the end of the day that means his ceiling is a wildcard level team and early exit even if you're successful loading up around him. I guess I am just arguing semantics, is midlevel or bad level really all that different? It would be a little more interesting if the Bears had pick 6 or something and had a choice between QB 3 or Fields. I think this instance is just too good to pass up for the Bears. There are probably more than a handful of teams that would switch QBs if the Panthers gifted them the first pick. I also wonder where the line is drawn between going with Fields vs a draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilltray Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 8 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: I guess I am just arguing semantics, is midlevel or bad level really all that different? It would be a little more interesting if the Bears had pick 6 or something and had a choice between QB 3 or Fields. I think this instance is just too good to pass up for the Bears. There are probably more than a handful of teams that would switch QBs if the Panthers gifted them the first pick. I also wonder where the line is drawn between going with Fields vs a draft pick. It's worse. You'd have a chance with a mid level guy like Goff or Stafford or Mayfield. You don't with Fields. When you are forced to throw he's going to hold you back no matter who his supporting cast is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I thought that Poles said he'd take a quarterback last year if one blew him away. Guessing it is the same this year. Also? I could see both Williams and Maye blowing him away. Especially if he just watched all the film on Fields this year when he's trying to throw the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Fields can't process. That much is apparent by now. Any staff that sticks with him doesn't understand football and is destined to fail. He's limited as all get out. He has tools but no toolbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, beekay414 said: Fields can't process. That much is apparent by now. Any staff that sticks with him doesn't understand football and is destined to fail. He's limited as all get out. He has tools but no toolbox. His tools allow him to throw at helmets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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