lancerman Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, wwhickok said: There's a couple reasons imo. #1 He is just not that good. He made one epic play and everyone thought he was the next Deion Sanders or something. #2 He isn't going to be in New England next year, maybe there's some bad blood and they wanted to give the SB playing time to people who will be here next year. I think it's more about the first reason but I also think there's a little bit of this. It's the Super Bowl, you go with your best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: Absolutely not. You play your best players in the Super Bowl, regardless of where they play next year. I think that they simply didn't think Butler gave them the best chance to win. And they might be right, although it couldn't have got much worse with him in there. I disagree. I don't think Bill Billicheck has that small of an ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramxel Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 31 minutes ago, iPwn said: Take this for what you will. That's a lot of hear-say, but it's inline with what I expect happened. Guy doesn't get benched for no reason. BB isn't stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 45 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: Patriots fans are so goofy. Fire Belichick over this? lol. One Patriots fan said that, and he's largely despised in the team forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 37 minutes ago, kramxel said: That's a lot of hear-say, but it's inline with what I expect happened. Guy doesn't get benched for no reason. BB isn't stupid. I will say that if it is, in fact, what happened then Butler has absolutely demolished his value in free agency over the past 6 months. To heap something like this on top of what was a very mediocre year of play, I doubt anyone will pay him anything close to what was thought to be his market value at the start of the season. Hell, I'll be surprised if anyone even offers him a multi-year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, 11sanchez11 said: only problem is, why wouldn't anybody just say that if it were the case? That's a reasonable explanation that people would take. Instead Butler is saying they gave up on him and 'football reasons' is the other explanation. Because Belichick doesn’t owe anyone an in-detail explanation on anything? He said, paraphrasing, that he put the players out there that he thought would best help the team win. We’re seriously going to say “because Belichick didn’t do something I think he should’ve done, then he’s hiding something incendiary”? The logical fallacies going on in this thread are comical (albeit predictable). Of course Butler is going to say that. He clearly felt good to go based on his comments and yet he didn’t play meaningful snaps. How else is he supposed to react after essentially being benched in the super bowl? But sure, we’re just going to take his comments as gospel (that the Pats “gave up” on him) and toss the ones made by the coach because...well, that fits much better doesn’t it. Also, @J-ALL-DAY, go read a GDT in our forum if you have the time. If everlong ran the team, there’d be no one on it after the Chiefs game. Nobody with sense thinks Belichick should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveTheVikings Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Bill wouldn't handicap himself in the Super Bowl by benching a player just for disciplinary issues, unless it was an unreported legal issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said: Because Belichick doesn’t owe anyone an in-detail explanation on anything? He said, paraphrasing, that he put the players out there that he thought would best help the team win. We’re seriously going to say “because Belichick didn’t do something I think he should’ve done, then he’s hiding something incendiary”? The logical fallacies going on in this thread are comical (albeit predictable). Of course Butler is going to say that. He clearly felt good to go based on his comments and yet he didn’t play meaningful snaps. How else is he supposed to react after essentially being benched in the super bowl? But sure, we’re just going to take his comments as gospel (that the Pats “gave up” on him) and toss the ones made by the coach because...well, that fits much better doesn’t it. Also, @J-ALL-DAY, go read a GDT in our forum if you have the time. If everlong ran the team, there’d be no one on it after the Chiefs game. Nobody with sense thinks Belichick should be fired. No, I believe Bill and co. that they thought that they didn't think Butler was the best player in this position. To say the reason he didn't play was because the flu I think is also silly. They gave a reason, why would they lie about it if he was sick? Makes no sense to me as that is a reasonable reason to not play someone. Everybody was asked a bunch of times about it and no one mentioned that his sickness played a part. I think Butler even mentioned that he was fine since Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodjahs12 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Butler is a far better matchup for a guy like Torrey Smith or Aglohor than Eric Rowe or Bademosi could ever hope to be and Bill knows it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, ILoveTheVikings said: Bill wouldn't handicap himself in the Super Bowl by benching a player just for disciplinary issues, unless it was an unreported legal issue Really? I think Belichick is exactly the kind of coach that does that. If Butler did the things they that are reported I can see that he would. Hopefully, this all comes out in the coming weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: No, I believe Bill and co. that they thought that they didn't think Butler was the best player in this position. To say the reason he didn't play was because the flu I think is also silly. They gave a reason, why would they lie about it if he was sick? Makes no sense to me as that is a reasonable reason to not play someone. Everybody was asked a bunch of times about it and no one mentioned that his sickness played a part. I think Butler even mentioned that he was fine since Friday. We’re saying the same thing. Butler was sick. His conditioning was likely poor. Thus, he wasn’t one of the players that were going to help them win. My initial comment was aimed at people saying Belichick made the call because of impending free agency, out of spite, or anything in between. Im willing to buy that he thought that Butler wasn’t a good matchup against Philly (even if he was wrong). Also willing to buy that Butler’s illness effected his conditioning. Not really willing to buy that Belichick would put a key defender on the bench in the super bowl because of spite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 They probably benched him for the curfew story. Makes the most sense. And the Patriots are the type of organization that keeps things close to the vest. So they likely won’t come out publically and say anything about it either. We’ll have to wait for someone to leak the story down the road when the NFL needs a new headline. Bellichick likely also didnt want to risk playing Butler and receiving penalties from the league after they do an investigation down (after the story is leaked). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 hours ago, KingOfTheDot said: All their Corners were trash yesterday and they had literally NO PASS RUSH. Butler wouldn't have changed that. Um, Gilmore played an excellent game. Not sure what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, J-ALL-DAY said: And if it was true, then Belichick could have just come out and said it was for non-football reasons. But when asked, he said it wasn't due to off field discipline. Even if it was for off-field discipline, he doesn't have to acknowledge that to the media. He could say just what he said even if Butler did come late, have drugs and went off on the coaches like that report says he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 54 minutes ago, showtime said: Um, Gilmore played an excellent game. Not sure what you're talking about. Oh my bad, 1 Corner played well, the rest sucked and they had no pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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