raidr4life Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 20 hours ago, big_palooka said: Which one of you here is Jake Hamilton? Another one of EA's alternate personalities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 21 hours ago, big_palooka said: It can be both. Gruden is leaving a lot to be desired as a play caller. But that doesn't excuse happy feet and his total lack of pocket presence or willing to extend a play with his feet. Gruden's great for the first drive or two where he can script his plays. We're just terrible after that because he sucks at making adjustments and his offense is outdated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 21 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: The biggest issue is out schemes suck. Offense is always shaky, we can blame Carr are you want but I don’t trust Gruden. Our defense always looks a step too slow, instead of flying round making plays. We don’t have a way to generate a pass rush. Mayowa is our best pass rusher, a guy we signed for peanuts Looking at offenses around the league, our scheme is extremely outdated. Everyone around the league is implementing spread concepts while we're using max protection / a west coast scheme because it was mildly successful for Gruden in the mid-2000s. And the defensive issues have been known for a while now, it doesn't matter how good your DB's are, if you can't consistently generate pressure with your front 4 they're going to get cooked. It also doesn't help that we refuse to address the LB spot and run with fringe roster players / washed vets with no legs underneath them and zero chance to cover RB's/Slot WR/TE's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 43 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Looking at offenses around the league, our scheme is extremely outdated. Everyone around the league is implementing spread concepts while we're using max protection / a west coast scheme because it was mildly successful for Gruden in the mid-2000s. And the defensive issues have been known for a while now, it doesn't matter how good your DB's are, if you can't consistently generate pressure with your front 4 they're going to get cooked. It also doesn't help that we refuse to address the LB spot and run with fringe roster players / washed vets with no legs underneath them and zero chance to cover RB's/Slot WR/TE's. Are we using max protect because of Carr having hapy feet, Gruden not being able to adapt, or both? Completely agree with the defensive problems. That is on Gruden 100%. Pagano was turning the D around and would have had us as a top 10 unit. We went from 1.4 sacks a game and 25 points a game to 2.8 sacks a game and 21 points allowed. Yards allowed we went from 29th to 11th. That is without an off-season to implement his defense. That was my first red flag and I am still pissed off about it. Guenther is suppose to be a good coordinator but why switch when someone is making progress like that. 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Gruden's great for the first drive or two where he can script his plays. We're just terrible after that because he sucks at making adjustments and his offense is outdated. I have been wondering how much autonomy does Gruden give Carr during the scripted period? You hear Gruden and Del Rio both say that they call for deep shots during the game but Carr does not take the chance. I have to ignore the fact that maybe nothing was available for the sake of argument. Do you remember that almost every game we played back in the day on the first drive the QB would would always drop back and just throw it over everyone's heads. I do not remember any of those passes ever being caught but the announcer would always say something about us being willing to go deep, putting the D on it's heels, or keeping the defense honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Looking at offenses around the league, our scheme is extremely outdated. Everyone around the league is implementing spread concepts while we're using max protection / a west coast scheme because it was mildly successful for Gruden in the mid-2000s. And the defensive issues have been known for a while now, it doesn't matter how good your DB's are, if you can't consistently generate pressure with your front 4 they're going to get cooked. It also doesn't help that we refuse to address the LB spot and run with fringe roster players / washed vets with no legs underneath them and zero chance to cover RB's/Slot WR/TE's. Facts... I think the most important move this offseason is getting a good OC. We don’t even have a chance with this scheme 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Gruden saw everyone camp and practices for years... How has he not adapted? Sigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Worth the read: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27702347/gruden-defends-carr-ab-exit-impacted-offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 36 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: Worth the read: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27702347/gruden-defends-carr-ab-exit-impacted-offense Allow me to summarize for those who don't want to read: Gruden makes non-stop excuses for why his offense sucks. Rinse, repeat. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Allow me to summarize for those who don't want to read: Gruden makes non-stop excuses for why his offense sucks. Rinse, repeat. This. tired of the dam excuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I think we will look better. Chiefs are a top 3 team, and Vikings are somewhere in 5-10 but play great at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Carr for Haskins straight up since Jay Gruden doesn't want to develop Haskins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 47 minutes ago, raidr4life said: Carr for Haskins straight up since Jay Gruden doesn't want to develop Haskins. Sign me up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, raidr4life said: Carr for Haskins straight up since Jay Gruden doesn't want to develop Haskins. Jay Gruden is trying to save his job and Haskins is not good. Trust me. I'm sure he wanted no part of that draft pick. 100% Snyder and Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Stop it with the offenses is outdated. Here is Gruden’s coaching tree any names pop out? Year(s)Bill CallahanOakland Raiders2002–2003Rod MarinelliDetroit Lions2006–2008Mike TomlinPittsburgh Steelers2007–presentStan ParrishBall State Cardinals2008–2010Raheem MorrisTampa Bay Buccaneers2009–2011David ShawStanford Cardinal2011–presentMarc TrestmanChicago Bears2013–2014Gus BradleyJacksonville Jaguars2013–2016Jay GrudenWashington Redskins2014–presentKyle ShanahanSan Francisco 49ers2017–presentSean McVayLos Angeles Rams2017–present Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: Stop it with the offenses is outdated. Here is Gruden’s coaching tree any names pop out? Year(s)Bill CallahanOakland Raiders2002–2003Rod MarinelliDetroit Lions2006–2008Mike TomlinPittsburgh Steelers2007–presentStan ParrishBall State Cardinals2008–2010Raheem MorrisTampa Bay Buccaneers2009–2011David ShawStanford Cardinal2011–presentMarc TrestmanChicago Bears2013–2014Gus BradleyJacksonville Jaguars2013–2016Jay GrudenWashington Redskins2014–presentKyle ShanahanSan Francisco 49ers2017–presentSean McVayLos Angeles Rams2017–present You are aware that all those men and have individual identities and while may have coached under Gruden, may have elevated themselves since that time. They might have added to, subtracted from the orginal concepts to modernize their scheme to todays NFL. Where is Gruden scheming up plays like this today? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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