Danger Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 It's Andy Reid. That said he still chokes in big moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Andy Reid learned from Holmgren who was a decent QB whisperer in his own right; taking 2 different QBs to the Super Bowl and educating Doug Pederson who went on to win a Super Bowl by whispering Foles into the winner's circle And Holmgren learned from The Master Whisperer, Bill Walsh Walsh took an undersized and underappreciated 3rd rounder and turned him into Joe ******* Montana. He also put Steve Young into the HOF after a dismal start in Tampa Bay That doesn't even include all the others that came from his Coaching Tree, a Giant Sequoia of influence on modern NFL QBs and how to coach them Kyle Shanahan is a neophyte by comparison Just because someone learned from someone else doesn't make the person who taught them better. If that were the case then we'd still think the earth was flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Aside from the "All time Great" HC, I would argue that Norv Turner is a fantastic OC/QB Coach/whisperer. http://purpleftw.com/comprehensive-list-norv-turners-quarterbacks-2001-present/ Aikman Brees Gannon Rivers ...and he turned some "meh" guys into competent starters, such as Frerotte, Griese, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, Danger said: Just because someone learned from someone else doesn't make the person who taught them better. If that were the case then we'd still think the earth was flat. Isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 hours ago, MWil23 said: Aside from the "All time Great" HC, I would argue that Norv Turner is a fantastic OC/QB Coach/whisperer. http://purpleftw.com/comprehensive-list-norv-turners-quarterbacks-2001-present/ Aikman Brees Gannon Rivers ...and he turned some "meh" guys into competent starters, such as Frerotte, Griese, etc. I just came to mention Norv. Terrible HC but a QB's best friend. In my opinion, Rivers wouldn't be a good QB had we kept Marty as his coach in 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Shanedorf said: Andy Reid learned from Holmgren who was a decent QB whisperer in his own right; taking 2 different QBs to the Super Bowl and educating Doug Pederson who went on to win a Super Bowl by whispering Foles into the winner's circle And Holmgren learned from The Master Whisperer, Bill Walsh Walsh took an undersized and underappreciated 3rd rounder and turned him into Joe ******* Montana. He also put Steve Young into the HOF after a dismal start in Tampa Bay That doesn't even include all the others that came from his Coaching Tree, a Giant Sequoia of influence on modern NFL QBs and how to coach them Kyle Shanahan is a neophyte by comparison Also before Steve Young came along, Walsh was winning games with reserves like Jeff Kemp, Mike Moroski, and Matt Cavanaugh. Including an extended period in 1986 when Montana missed eight games due to back surgery. 49ers went 4-3-1 in those games with the offense still buzzing. He also had his stints in San Diego connecting with Dan Fouts, and Cincinnati with Kenny Anderson. Edited January 10, 2020 by PapaShogun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Norv Turner, Kyle, Shanahan, and Andy Reid come to mind. I think Belichick deserves some mention too. Brady, Cassel, Hoyer, Garoppolo, Malette, Brissett- aside from Brady and Garoppolo, how many Pats QBs could you honestly see being starting material for other teams? Yet all of those named played well in NE, got picked up elsewhere, and had fairly decent success (aside from Malette). Cassel had his moments and was a decent backup- a far cry from someone who was a converted TE in college, Hoyer had his moments and wasn't always terrible, Jimmy and Jacoby are both certified starters (Jacoby certainly leaves a bit to be desired, but lets be honest, he's not an abject failure either). I could see Frank Reich possibly grabbing the label at some point too. He had his hands on Wentz and Foles, has kept Brissett from totally flopping, helped Andrew Luck have one heck of a comeback season prior to retiring. He's not quite there yet, but is probably inching towards honorable mention status before too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Shanedorf said: For being a "seqouia", Bill Callahan's status as Jon Gruden's son and cousin makes it look more like an Alabama oak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) One of the worst quotes in the history of the NFL was by Donovan McNabb's father, Sam, on Easter (as #5 was traded from Philly to DC): “We were celebrating Jesus’ resurrection, right? Then we turn around and Donovan gets resurrected. Just perfect.” McNabb, still only ages 34 and 35 after Reid purposely traded him to a division rival: 6 wins 13 losses 58.8% 18 TDs 17 picks 78.5 rating. It was all Andy. Reid went 5-1 with AJ Feely and Koy Detmer in 2002. 12 Pro Bowl QBs in 21 years. McNabb went to 6 pro bowls with Reid and none when Donovan left Philly. Alex Smith went to 4 pro bowls with Reid and none before or since (yes, bad injury) Mahomes is now 2 for 2. He also drafted and taught some guy named Foles and then talked him out of retirement and taught him some more. That worked out pretty well for Philly. Edited January 9, 2020 by SkippyX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Greg Olson may not be the best of all time, but he's pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconrad11 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Andy Reid for sure . He has done some awesome work with QBs....and he was absolutely a wizard when it came to knowing when a QB was done. Judging from how he traded the all those QBs for 2nd round picks and they all flopped without him (McNabb to Wash, Feeley to Miami, Kolb to AZ) He even helped resurrect Vicks career....Chip Kelly had a hand in that but Andy is who "groomed" him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamblinMan99 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Bill Walsh put two QBs in the Hall of Fame, but so did Don Shula. Bob Griese and Dan Marino. Bruce Ariens is also underrated for his knowledge of quarterbacks. He's worked with Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Andrew Luck, Carson Palmer, and Jameis Winston. Ariens has a deep understanding of how to write play action passes, especially in the redzone. That's where he excels and that's why most of the QBs he has coached have improved with time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 It’s interesting, because some might find this fact to be telling about his ability to coach quarterbacks — and some might not. But there are only two coaches who have won Super Bowls with multiple different QBs. One is George Seifert, who won one with Joe Montana and one with Steve Young. He was a defensive coach, so he’s no consideration here. And then there’s Joe Gibbs, the only coach who has won the Super Bowl with three different QBs: Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien. The last one was probably his greatest success, as Rypien was a nobody 6th round pick who Gibbs groomed into a Pro Bowler/SB MVP/runner-up for NFL MVP. Once Gibbs retired (the first time), Rypien never did a thing again. Maybe he’s not the best, but I think Joe Gibbs damn sure has to be among the considerations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 17 hours ago, Shanedorf said: Andy Reid learned from Holmgren who was a decent QB whisperer in his own right; taking 2 different QBs to the Super Bowl and educating Doug Pederson who went on to win a Super Bowl by whispering Foles into the winner's circle And Holmgren learned from The Master Whisperer, Bill Walsh Walsh took an undersized and underappreciated 3rd rounder and turned him into Joe ******* Montana. He also put Steve Young into the HOF after a dismal start in Tampa Bay That doesn't even include all the others that came from his Coaching Tree, a Giant Sequoia of influence on modern NFL QBs and how to coach them Kyle Shanahan is a neophyte by comparison Pretty much shut the thread down. Asked and Answered!🍺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Tom Clements. I suspect he is a bigger reason why Rodgers became a 2 X MVP and won a ring more than Mike McCarthy did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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