NightTrainLane Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 54 minutes ago, Rolni said: TOP 10 for a WLB seems too rich for me tho... Agreed. We have far bigger needs and Smith isn't the guy I see impacting the defense majorly. That is what I want from the 10th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, NightTrainLane said: Agreed. We have far bigger needs and Smith isn't the guy I see impacting the defense majorly. That is what I want from the 10th pick. Agree to disagree. I think Smith will be a legit playmaker immediately. There is no bigger need IMO than LB. Raiders have ZERO talent at that level. Good defenses have talent on each level. Right now it's just a bunch of guys with different skill sets as it's been for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Raider Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Agree to disagree. I think Smith will be a legit playmaker immediately. There is no bigger need IMO than LB. Raiders have ZERO talent at that level. Good defenses have talent on each level. Right now it's just a bunch of guys with different skill sets as it's been for years. You could say the same thing for our dline except for Mack and maybe Irvin. I’m honestly at the point where I’m good with whomever we draft as long as it’s not a reach. I do think we should beef up the trenches to help Mack, but if we end up with Ward, Smith, or Edmunds, I’m fine with that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: In Guenter's system, Smith would be best as an off-ball LB. But I believe he can thrive inside as well. Too much is made of him taking on blocks. It didn't hurt him in the SEC. His instincts and IQ help him win. And he will get stronger at the POA in the pros. People are sleeping on him hard. He's going to be a stud LB if not drafted by the Raiders, Raider fans will look back on as a big missed opportunity. Confident in that. All 3 base linebacker positions are mostly "off-ball" in a 4-3 over. Sometimes the strongside backer lines up on a tight end, but for the most part all linebackers in Guenther's scheme will be off-ball players. Not enough is made of taking on blocks. College blocking schemes pale in comparison ink both scheme diversity and talent when compared to the NFL. NFL offensive linemen routinely advance to the second level - especially with the proliferation of zone blocking schemes. Smith will not be able to juke and backpedal from blocks like he does in college, and his defensive line likely won't win with the same frequency. Do I think he will be a good player in the NFL? Yes. Do I think he's a slam dunk? No. He's instinctive, fast, has great stopping power, but when he falls short of par in what I consider being one of the most important aspects of playing linebacker in the NFL. And, no, Smith is not being slept on. He's routinely listed in the top 10 of many draft analyst's boards. One last thing: Quote And he will get stronger at the POA in the pros. You hope he will get stronger at the POA in the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 50 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Agree to disagree. I think Smith will be a legit playmaker immediately. There is no bigger need IMO than LB. Raiders have ZERO talent at that level. Good defenses have talent on each level. Right now it's just a bunch of guys with different skill sets as it's been for years. Yup agree to disagree. What we really need is a MLB and if this defense is really gonna move to more 4-3 than i don't see Smith being a good fit for us or the best value there. Smith is a WLB. It's what he played in college and in a 3-4 defense no less. Can he play MLB? Sure. But it's not where he would be best utilized IMO. James and Morrow are young guys that have talent and upside and I think if they are given the chance they can excel. I know you count them as JAGs but I see the talent in them. Yes, Smith would be better but I think Ward or Fitzpatrick in the secondary or Vea or Hurst in the opponents back field or Edmunds or even Evans as MLB will help us more. Not to mention guys like Barkley and Chubb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 All I know if we need to sign Bowman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I read the other day R.Smith had a medical red flag at the combine. I can't find anything more about it now so I assume it was false. Does anyone know anything more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madleg81 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 A bit off topic but Johnny Manziel is going to participate at San Diego States pro day.....I only bring this up because I remember Gruden gushing about the guy on draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 54 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: I read the other day R.Smith had a medical red flag at the combine. I can't find anything more about it now so I assume it was false. Does anyone know anything more? His hammy "tighen up" and he bowed out of the rest of the workouts after the 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Chub the rb looked great at his pro day. I'm still on the fence about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Hurst cleared! Mack- Hurst- Jelly- Irvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, raidr4life said: Hurst cleared! Mack- Hurst- Jelly- Irvin He got cleared by his college I think. They had cleared him when he years ago. It was the Combine doctors that flagged him. I wonder how teams view it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 So is he now the choice or what? I just want some help for the front 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, NightTrainLane said: He got cleared by his college I think. They had cleared him when he years ago. It was the Combine doctors that flagged him. I wonder how teams view it... Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter FollowingFollowing @AdamSchefter More Michigan’s potential first-round pick Mo Hurst has met with cardiologists at University of Michigan and Harvard, and they have cleared him to resume playing football, per league source. Hurst will do a full workout at Michigan's pro day on Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, raidr4life said: Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter FollowingFollowing @AdamSchefter More Michigan’s potential first-round pick Mo Hurst has met with cardiologists at University of Michigan and Harvard, and they have cleared him to resume playing football, per league source. Hurst will do a full workout at Michigan's pro day on Friday. Why did you make the font so big? This doesn't answer how teams will view it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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