DoleINGout Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FourThreeMafia said: Youre really reaching because of one number? He probably meant 11-15. That's kind of my point... I don't see a big difference between 10 and 15 so I was confused by the change in tone between a post made yesterday and earlier today. Cam Newton falls into the category of an easily above average QB at a position loaded with elite players. Edited June 29, 2020 by DoleINGout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 hours ago, DoleINGout said: You called healthy Cam Newton top 10-15 then said he probably has never been top 10 except for one season... so I am confused bro. So, he's somewhere in this range: 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. One year, he was somewhere here: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. This better? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, DoleINGout said: That's kind of my point... I don't see a big difference between 10 and 15 so I was confused by the change in tone between a post made yesterday and earlier today. Cam Newton falls into the category of an easily above average QB at a position loaded with elite players. So, you agree with what I'm saying, you're just arguing semantics. Glad we could help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, ET80 said: So, he's somewhere in this range: 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. One year, he was somewhere here: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. This better? There just seems like there's an inconsistency between the two posts I quoted which confuses me. In the first one it felt like you were declaring Newton as this obvious top QB by putting him in that arbitrary 10-15 range... but then to follow up and essentially agree that Cam is overrated and above average felt as though your conviction changed from what seemed like a strong initial reaction when the news broke last night. It just came across as contradictory to me and I didn't think it was that rude to ask for clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 9 hours ago, ThatJaxxenGuy said: You can disagree without condescension. I personally feel the timing of the super strict Patriots signing a star QB who has a known drama tax which gets everyone talking the same day they receive a punishment for suspected cheating yet again is a bit too juicy to totally ignore. Why didn’t they announce signing Cam on a weekday, or a week ago? Or sometime during this coming week/ month if they were playing the patient game? Peter King has guest writers for his FMIA article and this week is Joe Browne a 50 year PR veteran who worked with Rozelle, Tags and Goodell Here's what he wrote today: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/06/28/fmia-guest-joe-browne-afl-nfl-merger/ "I think I was a little surprised by the timing of the news that quarterback Cam Newton signed with the Patriots. Having the story break on an offseason Sunday evening is not the smartest way to generate favorable publicity. However, it all quickly made sense when I heard later Sunday night that the Pats again were being fined and disciplined by the league office for filming an opponent’s sideline during a game. You learn in Public Relations 101 that you always try to overshadow really negative news by putting out a positive item at the same time." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_is_the_best Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) The Patriots are just messing with us now. Now they get a starting QB on a silver platter. If anyone thinks Cam wont be the starter, they're probably Jarrett Stidham. Edited June 30, 2020 by Joe_is_the_best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Josh McDaniels won a playoff game with Tim Tebow. This defense is still loaded with talent. If Cam is healthy he does not have to improve on 6 Lombardis. He just has to be better than an 88 rated passer (24 TDs 8 picks 4000 yards) with 34 yards rushing and 3 rushing TDs. (Brady last year) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck80 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 On 6/28/2020 at 8:01 PM, PatriotsWin! said: .... interesting... Rather roll with Stidham but who knows maybe Newton isn't completely washed up yet. Hoping for the best but not overly excited tbh. There's two men HIGHLY motivated to prove everyone wrong Both Cam and McDaniels and Josh's system fits Cam's strengths very well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, SkippyX said: Josh McDaniels won a playoff game with Tim Tebow. This defense is still loaded with talent. If Cam is healthy he does not have to improve on 6 Lombardis. He just has to be better than an 88 rated passer (24 TDs 8 picks 4000 yards) with 34 yards rushing and 3 rushing TDs. (Brady last year) The defense front 7 had some serious question marks. One injury to the oline im not sure how that unit would look. The matt cassel and tim tebow rosters was better than the pats one this year. I think bills take division with ease unless injuries derail them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 21 hours ago, Thelonebillsfan said: Have I not suffered enough lord? Hey Job 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissooner49er Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 hours ago, marshawn lynch said: I dont like this. Yes Cam has struggled recently. But him with their defense can be scary. And he is probably an upgrade over Tom Brady from last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 12 hours ago, DoleINGout said: There just seems like there's an inconsistency between the two posts I quoted which confuses me. In the first one it felt like you were declaring Newton as this obvious top QB by putting him in that arbitrary 10-15 range... but then to follow up and essentially agree that Cam is overrated and above average felt as though your conviction changed from what seemed like a strong initial reaction when the news broke last night. It just came across as contradictory to me and I didn't think it was that rude to ask for clarification. I don't know what to tell you, tbh. That "10-15" that has you confused is my indicator that I'm thinking middle ground - he's not in Mahomes/Jackson/Watson range, but he's not exactly at the bottom of the barrel. He's closer to 16 than he is 1 or 32. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucsDraftGeek47 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 On 6/28/2020 at 8:41 PM, Jakuvious said: Honest question here. Is he the best QB in the division? How DARE you disrespect the Fitzmagic Best QB is FITZY Best RQBS = Scam then Allen then there is Darnold somewhere in the horizon What is with everyone blowing this Cam to the Pats stuff out of the water? dont get me wrong , Cam is good, Panthers are idiots for going with TeddyB over him lol but ill take it BUT if hes healthy AND thats an IF, it just isnt a good fit in NE unless Mcdaniels is going to change everything and make this a Ravens style offense , then i still think the Pats are an 8-8 team lets not forget that Scam has never been a very accurate QB AND THEN LETS NOT FORGET that the Pats have trash at WR other than a grey beard in Edelman WHO IS HE GOING TO THROW TO??? Cam has never been a QB that would elevate his WRs So unless this morphs into a brand new RUNNING QB offense then this will not work out well YOU HEARD IT HERE FOLKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, BucsDraftGeek47 said: unless Mcdaniels is going to change everything and make this a Ravens style offense , then i still think the Pats are an 8-8 team 7 minutes ago, BucsDraftGeek47 said: So unless this morphs into a brand new RUNNING QB offense then this will not work out well Im sorry, have you met Josh McDaniels? He has already done this MID SEASON for the Broncos to great effect with a much much much worse talent at QB It is incredibly naive to think this offense was going to be the same as Brady ran it even before Cam came aboard. It would have been very different for Stidham too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucsDraftGeek47 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, Deadpulse said: Im sorry, have you met Josh McDaniels? He has already done this MID SEASON for the Broncos to great effect with a much much much worse talent at QB i'll believe it when i see it here i still think the Pats have zero talent on offense right now (Cam if healthy, Michel, Edelman are their starts on O) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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