G08 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 What pains me the most is if they did FireFox earlier, we could be watching Trubisky thrive in Kyle Shanahan's offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, G08 said: What pains me the most is if they did FireFox earlier, we could be watching Trubisky thrive in Kyle Shanahan's offense. Or we coulda had Mahomes or Watson lol. If Shanny gets hired here then he's not picking Trubisky 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, G08 said: I'm not sure I agree that is "results suck" if you look at his drafting and FA history: Khalil Mack, Roquan Smith, Eddie Goldman, Cody Whitehair, James Daniels, David Montgomery, Nick Kwiatkoski, Eddie Jackson, Tarik Cohen (debatable), Adrian Amos, Bilal Nichols, Jordan Howard (for a few seasons, anyway), Danny Trevathan, Akiem Hicks, Allen Robinson, Cordarrelle Patterson. Kevin White and Mitchell Trubisky were his two biggest picks and both were big flops. He also traded up to get Leonard Floyd who he let go for what is looking like a mega bust in Robert Quinn. When you're picking in the top 10 in 4 out of your 6 years as GM and all you have to show for it is a pretty good LB in Roquan Smith that's not very encouraging And don't tell me about Khalil Mack for the other two firsts. Thats not the point Edited December 10, 2020 by topwop1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, G08 said: I'm not sure I agree that is "results suck" if you look at his drafting and FA history: Khalil Mack, Roquan Smith, Eddie Goldman, Cody Whitehair, James Daniels, David Montgomery, Nick Kwiatkoski, Eddie Jackson, Tarik Cohen (debatable), Adrian Amos, Bilal Nichols, Jordan Howard (for a few seasons, anyway), Danny Trevathan, Akiem Hicks, Allen Robinson, Cordarrelle Patterson. Anyone could have found Mack. Remove him and that list looks pretty underwhelming. It's mostly JAGs with a few who are more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, G08 said: I'm not sure I agree that is "results suck" if you look at his drafting and FA history: Khalil Mack, Roquan Smith, Eddie Goldman, Cody Whitehair, James Daniels, David Montgomery, Nick Kwiatkoski, Eddie Jackson, Tarik Cohen (debatable), Adrian Amos, Bilal Nichols, Jordan Howard (for a few seasons, anyway), Danny Trevathan, Akiem Hicks, Allen Robinson, Cordarrelle Patterson. Yeah he's actually been good with later round picks and found some stars, however it's all wasted since he missed on QB and then doubled down on said QB with the way he's built this team. It's not OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 hours ago, G08 said: Fox wasn't long for this job, I think he knew that as well. He was an A to B guy. The biggest issue is that Pace fell in love with a QB who is not a fit for Matt Nagy's offense, and Matt Nagy either didn't know how to adjust or flat-out refused to adjust. What I saw last week was more in tune with what I feel Trubisky excels at: emphasis on the run and you build play-action and boots/waggles off it. Is it too little too late? I don't know... but again, if we finish 9-7 or even 8-8 I don't know if I see Pace/Nagy getting fired. That's just my gut, not necessarily what I want. If you area going to fire an employee and he knows it, you don't keep him around for another year. Bad management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, dll2000 said: If you area going to fire an employee and he knows it, you don't keep him around for another year. Bad management. I get your point "in the real world", but it's pretty moot when you're looking at millions of dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
41st ward Chicagoian Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 This is discussion is exactly why Pace should be fired. He completely messed up the 2017 offseason from a management and operational standpoint. Which has set this franchise back years. He should have fired fox the 2017 offseason and brought in a coach to coach his legacy QB pick. He made a horrible trade when everyone (except pace) knew the 49ers weren’t going to take a QB. Finally he picked the wrong guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 53 minutes ago, 41st ward Chicagoian said: This is discussion is exactly why Pace should be fired. He completely messed up the 2017 offseason from a management and operational standpoint. Which has set this franchise back years. He should have fired fox the 2017 offseason and brought in a coach to coach his legacy QB pick. He made a horrible trade when everyone (except pace) knew the 49ers weren’t going to take a QB. Finally he picked the wrong guy. There's so many available excuses for his supporters He sucked in 2015, 2016 and 2017 because Emery left a mess. He sucks in 2019 and 2020 because of the Mack trade from the summer of 2018. Definitely deserves a 7th year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 17 hours ago, G08 said: I get your point "in the real world", but it's pretty moot when you're looking at millions of dollars. Results are still same. You also have millions in revenue to pay them. Don’t make decisions you can’t afford. If you don’t want to keep a coach 5 years, don’t give him a 5 year contract or put in option in 5th year or something. Or simply be willing to eat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Leonard Floyd now has more sacks (8) than Khalil Mack and Robert Quinn (7.5) this year. When Pace sets out to improve the pass rush he ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, WindyCity said: Leonard Floyd now has more sacks (8) than Khalil Mack and Robert Quinn (7.5) this year. When Pace sets out to improve the pass rush he ... I mean come on. Every single one of us wanted nothing to do with Floyd after last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, G08 said: I mean come on. Every single one of us wanted nothing to do with Floyd after last season. The point is far less about Floyd and far more about the nuclear level disaster the Quinn signing is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, WindyCity said: The point is far less about Floyd and far more about the nuclear level disaster the Quinn signing is. Get the feeling the contracts of Quinn and Graham are going to be extraordinarily unhelpful around March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Speaking of Mack - his production is down again this year and he's on pace for his lowest sack and pressure totals since his rookie season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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