ronjon1990 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Their starting QB was Matt Flynn. Doubt they drafted Wilson to back him up lol Actually, it was Tavares Jackson pending the offseason/preseason. The Seahawks absolutely signed Flynn to his 3 year, $26m deal anticipating him being the starter. Wilson "won the job" as goes the narrative, though even Carroll commented late in the 2012 season that Wilson was playing "alright" while the pass offense was spuddering. If not for Flynn's bum elbow, he 100% would have been named the starter at least to open the year. I never thought Flynn was particularly good, but Russell Wilson in 2012 was not peak Russell Wilson. Wilson was absolutely a 3rd round pick that the Seahawks struck gold with. The amount of coachspeak that Carroll had to engage in while hoping Wilson ultimately panned out gives that much away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Their starting QB was Matt Flynn. Doubt they drafted Wilson to back him up lol I thought it was tavarius or whatever his name was. Then Russ beat both and we traded for Flynn lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, NYRaider said: Wilson's one SB victory was because of their elite defense. Yes, the point being made was that they could afford said D because of the cheap qb contract no qb making 20mil plus has ever won a Super Bowl I believe Edited December 27, 2020 by BackinBlack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, BackinBlack said: Yes, the point being made was that they could afford said D because of the cheap win contract I'm pretty sure Sherman, Thomas, and Chancellor were also on rookie contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I'm pretty sure Sherman, Thomas, and Chancellor were also on rookie contracts. I do think you’re right, and Bobby Wagner. but there dline was their highest priced unit. clemons and Avril where both getting close to 10’mil iirc, which was a lot relative to that time I think. — drafting is obviously very important. — but when you’re paying your qb so little, you can really bulk up your teams depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 6 hours ago, big_palooka said: Their starting QB was Matt Flynn. Doubt they drafted Wilson to back him up lol Yes that’s the guy! but come on no one knew Wilson was a future starter when they drafted him. He was a 5’9 QB who transferred around in college. No one thought he’s our future starter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: I'm pretty sure Sherman, Thomas, and Chancellor were also on rookie contracts. Which is exactly my point it’s not just about a rookie deal QB.... you need a bunch of other rookie deal players who become big contributors. essentially you need 3 drafts of 1st-3rd great picks and a few starters in rounds 4-7 every draft Edited December 28, 2020 by jimkelly02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 20 hours ago, NYRaider said: We'll see how they look with Trevor Lawrence. That'll be irrelevant since that's another rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 18 hours ago, dante9876 said: Thats an interesting take. I disagree with it. I guess it depends on the development of tua most. But texans about to give them another top 5 pick and they still got some cap space. They have resources to keep building it up. Tua would be the biggest question. Well, I'm not exactly blown away by their current roster and 4 of their wins came against the Jags, Jets and Bengals in which the opponents combined to score 23 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, jimkelly02 said: Yes that’s the guy! but come on no one knew Wilson was a future starter when they drafted him. He was a 5’9 QB who transferred around in college. No one thought he’s our future starter! He didn't "transfer around in college". He transferred to a better program for his final season of eligibility. He led the ACC in passing, then dominated in the Big 10. The only knock on his game was his height, which at the time was still taboo in NFL scouting. Several people said he'd be the number 1 pick of the draft if he was taller, so the skill set was there. Seattle didn't spend a 3rd round pick on him to be a backup. They recognized a rare set of skills and developed it. Schneider wanted to take him in round 2: https://www.nfl.com/news/pete-carroll-had-to-be-convinced-to-draft-russell-wilson-0ap2000000312949 Andy Reid loved Wilson as noted as well. Edited December 28, 2020 by big_palooka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Tom Cable's 3 years as Raiders HC: 17-27 (.386) Jon Gruden's 3 years as Raiders HC: 18-29 (.382) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 16 hours ago, jimkelly02 said: Which is exactly my point it’s not just about a rookie deal QB.... you need a bunch of other rookie deal players who become big contributors. essentially you need 3 drafts of 1st-3rd great picks and a few starters in rounds 4-7 every draft Yes, so to win in the NFL you need a front office that is capable of finding talent that fits an effective scheme throughout the draft. Which Gruden and Mayock have clearly failed to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/haberman-and-middlekauff/id1162534195 Middlekauff is obnoxious, but watches the Raiders and makes some really good points about Gruden and Ruggs usage on this podcast. He make a good point that it feels like they have no plan for Ruggs outside go deep. No plan to get him involved and like he said, Derek isn't even looking at him in games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, big_palooka said: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/haberman-and-middlekauff/id1162534195 Middlekauff is obnoxious, but watches the Raiders and makes some really good points about Gruden and Ruggs usage on this podcast. He make a good point that it feels like they have no plan for Ruggs outside go deep. No plan to get him involved and like he said, Derek isn't even looking at him in games. For being touted as an offensive guru, I've been less than impressed by Gruden's play calling during his tenure here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 36 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Yes, so to win in the NFL you need a front office that is capable of finding talent that fits an effective scheme throughout the draft. Which Gruden and Mayock have clearly failed to do. Part of the problem I see is Gruden has final say. Mayock and others in the organization really liked Lamb reportedly. Gruden wanted his "Tyreek Hill" which didn't look like a fit when he took him and 1 game to go, has yet to find any use for the #12 overall pick. Gruden is not adept at identifying talent but has final say. That doesn't work. That's why you hire a guy like Mayock. Mayocks year 3 will be telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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