The Aaron Rodgers Grief Phase: Acceptance

[Howler]

1 minute ago, StatKing said:

 

Rodgers played horrible. No defending his play but Deguara is awful. The less passes thrown his way the better. The one time he did get a ball thrown his way his way he dropped it when he was wide open. Guy has stones for hands.

Deguara needs to just live with the juggs machine for a few months. You could see his difficulty assessing those high velocity passes.

[StatKing]

4 minutes ago, Howler said:

But wasn't Deguara an H back/Juzczyk experiment? Granted, he should have never been selected in the third round.

Who knows what the plan for him was. That guy is an undersized TE that can't block or catch. That whole draft class is starting to look like a massive disappointment. The only guy we've gotten any sort of consistent production out of 2 years later is AJ Dillon. The rest of the class has done next to nothing.

[PossibleCabbage]

When a guy tears his ACL as a rookie, you don't really expect much until year 3 since it's a one year recovery, but it takes some time to trust the joint again.  Not to mention "Tight End" is the slowest developing position in football (including quarterback).

The arguments against Deguara are basically "don't draft a tight end, particularly not one who is capable of suffering a major injury at some point."

Edited January 23, 2022 by PossibleCabbage

[thrILL!]

46 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

There's absolutely no guarantee that Rodgers would throw to Tee Higgins or Chase Claypool.

12 didn’t even look for his BFF who he so desperately wanted us to acquire in a trade with HOU. 

[CWood21]

20 minutes ago, StatKing said:

Such a simplistic analysis. Rodgers is one of the smartest guys to ever play the game, I highly doubt he looks looks at a guy and thinks "well he's a rookie so I refuse to throw to them". He knows what those guys are capable of more than any of us. If you give him the weapons he will get them the ball. Fact of the matter is MVS in year 4 still only runs 2 routes and Lazard is too slow to get any sort of consistent seperation. I don't know what else people need to see before they realize those guys are average at best.

Yet year after year, Rodgers only throws to 2 or 3 players max.  LIS before, Tom Brady has made a career out of throwing to guys that didn't come out with a bunch of pre-draft hype.  Yet somehow Rodgers isn't able to do the same?

[Norm]

43 minutes ago, ScubaV said:

I think Rodgers has three major flaws when it comes to postseason play:

1) Conservative play - His ability to avoid turnovers is generally a strength, especially in the regular season.  But in the playoffs defense is much tighter.  The quality of teams is higher, players get amped up due to the high stakes, and refs tend to let more things go.  As a consequence the windows are smaller and a QB needs to be comfortable taking more risks to get results.  Rodgers #1 priority is avoiding picks, so he hesitates and double clutches, skipping over open (by playoff standards) throws and taking sacks.

2) Mental weakness - Time and again, when things aren't going well we see Rodgers start sulking.  Instead of stepping up, he does the opposite, becoming even more conservative and only trusting a small group of guys (Adams and Jones yesterday).  As a result, he stops playing within the offensive gameplan and goes to hero ball, making a lot of low percentage throws because he only looks at those same trusted guys who are probably double covered now.

3) Poor leadership - Rodgers is never very vocal or emotive when you see him on the sidelines, which by itself is fine.  Not every good leader is a rah-rah type.  But when the chips are down, the cameras never show him doing much of anything at all.  He sits on the bench with an empty stare.  Or, on the field if someone drops a pass he gives them the death stare.  You can tell by his body language and those of his fellow offensive players, they look like abused dogs.  There's no fight or determination to get back on top.

In the regular season, his raw talent is enough, but there's no additional gear when it comes to playoff mode.  Things go great until some kind of adversity hits (ex. Lewis's fumble) and he just shrivels up.  The same thing happened with his vaccination debacle.  He never expected the negative reaction and instead of manning up and apologizing or being defiant and steadfast, he went on an incoherent, limp-wristed ramble in Pat Macafee's safe space.

This nails it all

[StatKing]

4 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

Yet year after year, Rodgers only throws to 2 or 3 players max.  LIS before, Tom Brady has made a career out of throwing to guys that didn't come out with a bunch of pre-draft hype.  Yet somehow Rodgers isn't able to do the same?

He isn't Tom Brady. Nobody is. You can't hold that against him. If your only defense at this point is "but but Brady can do it", thats a pretty weak argument.

[CWood21]

5 minutes ago, StatKing said:

He isn't Tom Brady. Nobody is. You can't hold that against him. If your only defense at this point is "but but Brady can do it", thats a pretty weak argument.

We're talking about him being one of the greatest to ever play QBs.  Comparing him to Tom Brady is absolutely fair game.

[StatKing]

4 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

We're talking about him being one of the greatest to ever play QBs.  Comparing him to Tom Brady is absolutely fair game.

One of the greatest ever. Not THE greatest ever. The gap between Brady and the next guy is wider than the Grand Canyon. He is a modern day Babe Ruth. There will never be another player like him.

Edited January 23, 2022 by StatKing

[FAH1223]

 

 

14 years apart. Similar exits. Poetic. 

[Toddfather]

14 minutes ago, FAH1223 said:

 

 

14 years apart. Similar exits. Poetic. 

It is crazy how much their careers mirrored each other at times.

[FAH1223]

8 minutes ago, Toddfather said:

It is crazy how much their careers mirrored each other at times.

History doesn't necessarily repeat but it sure rhymes

[PackersFan72]

6 hours ago, StatKing said:

We shouldn't be in a situation where Rodgers feels like the only people he can throw to are Jones and Adams to begin with. You can keep trying to defend Lazard and MVS all you want but the fact of the matter is Tee Higgins outproduced both of them combined and that's with him being the 2nd option. We know what MVS and Lazards ceilings are, they haven't improved at all the last 2 years. There's a reason they don't get nearly as many touches and it isn't simply because Rodgers wont throw to them.

Lazard was wide open on that throw into double coverage to Adams late in the game.  

[StatKing]

20 minutes ago, PackersFan72 said:

Lazard was wide open on that throw into double coverage to Adams late in the game.  

It happens. I've said multiple times Rodgers played horrible. One throw from one game doesn't invalidate 3 seasons of evidence to the contrary. Do I like guy? Yea. I'm not saying throw him off the team. He just isn't a steady #2 and neither is MVS.

Edited January 24, 2022 by StatKing

[minnypackerfan]

6 hours ago, CWood21 said:

Yet year after year, Rodgers only throws to 2 or 3 players max.  LIS before, Tom Brady has made a career out of throwing to guys that didn't come out with a bunch of pre-draft hype.  Yet somehow Rodgers isn't able to do the same?

I think part of the reason for that (Brady) is that he was taught early on by the Patriot coaches to "do your job".  If the play should go to the 3rd receiver right off the bench, throw it to him.  If he is not performing well enough or does not catch the ball, we'll replace him.  If you throw to the wrong guy, we'll replace you.  For some reason maybe Rodgers was not taught that or he does not trust that and nobody corrected him.  Its the team concept that the Patriots really push into their guys.