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[abstract_thought]

51 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said:

Its not hard to see why the guy who would be extremely critical of a coach and the practices they are trying to run wouldnt be a welcomed addition.

Did Tretter ever actually do this? He criticized the NFL for its COVID-19 policies and ramp-up. He's criticized teams for their playing surfaces. There's been no friction between him and the Browns that I can remember. They even named him a player-coach for a game in 2021.

56 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said:

Is it right that this happens? Probably not. Is it actually illegal as you are suggesting? That is also probably a no, but more importantly is next to impossible to prove

It is absolutely illegal for NFL teams to discriminate against an player for his involvement in the player's union. I agree that proving this would be difficult. But it could be possible for Tretter, still a good player with apparently reasonable contract demands.

[StLunatic88]

35 minutes ago, abstract_thought said:

Did Tretter ever actually do this? He criticized the NFL for its COVID-19 policies and ramp-up. He's criticized teams for their playing surfaces. There's been no friction between him and the Browns that I can remember. They even named him a player-coach for a game in 2021.

1 hour ago, StLunatic88 said:

Its about the newer rules about contact during camp

35 minutes ago, abstract_thought said:

It is absolutely illegal for NFL teams to discriminate against an player for his involvement in the player's union. I agree that proving this would be difficult. But it could be possible for Tretter, still a good player with apparently reasonable contract demands.

You can not hire someone for any reason you want. Firing them is a different discussion, but in most cases you can still do that.

Its not illegal for teams to make that decision independently. It would have to be a collaboration amongst the teams to do that to a specific player/set of players.

Once again, essentially a Training Camp Narc would not likely to be desired by any single team. And now Tretter is "retiring" so they cant all come to him after week one, and then offer him the deals. Its a political move, just as much as anything else. Not saying Tretter shouldnt do it, but also lets not bury our heads in the sand just because its a player

[HuskieBear]

4 hours ago, StLunatic88 said:

thats part of it, but once again, there is way more than just on field performance that goes into signing a player, most fans just dont want to hear it.

Tretter had knee problems last year, but nothing that would keep him from playing.

“Guys would be like, ‘Oh, like how are your knees doing?’” Tretter told SI.com. “And I always said, ‘My NFLPA job is gonna end my career well before my knees end my career.’”

He said that his salary expectations weren’t exorbitant. He wanted more than the minimum, but “well below the value I bring.” He also said that no team expressed curiosity regarding his knee, with no physicals or MRIs requested.

Yes, he believes he was shunned for his union activity.

“I got a call in mid-June, and it was like, ‘I didn’t realize how many people you pissed off,” Tretter said.

The NFL denied any retaliation against Tretter, because of course it did. The league referred SI.com to the various teams when asked about Tretter’s theory that he’s being ignored because, when it comes to union matters, he refuses to look the other way.

“There are teams right now that I would say are desperate for a center based off how camp’s going,” Tretter told SI.com. “Still no calls.” He added that, if someone calls now, he’ll say no. He’s instead embracing his ability to focus fully on serving as NFLPA president.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/25/jc-tretter-believes-his-nflpa-role-resulted-in-him-drawing-no-interest/https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/25/jc-tretter-believes-his-nflpa-role-resulted-in-him-drawing-no-interest/

[AZBearsFan]

Precedent isn’t there for the league to police this in a practice, but with this video out there it’ll be hard for them to do nothing to Donald here IMO. 

[JAF-N72EX]

2 hours ago, abstract_thought said:

It is absolutely illegal for NFL teams to discriminate against an player for his involvement in the player's union. I agree that proving this would be difficult. But it could be possible for Tretter, still a good player with apparently reasonable contract demands.

Correct. It explicitly states this in the CBA. Page 285, Article 49

But like you said it's hard to prove. Just like it's hard for Kaep to prove he was blackballed for his stance on race or Micheal Sam for sexual orientation.

—285—
ARTICLE 49
PLAYER SECURITY
Section 1. No Discrimination: There will be no discrimination in any form against any
player by the NFL, the Management Council, any Club or by the NFLPA because of race,
religion, national origin, sexual orientation, or activity or lack of activity on behalf of the
NFLPA.

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[Sugashane]

1 hour ago, AZBearsFan said:

Precedent isn’t there for the league to police this in a practice, but with this video out there it’ll be hard for them to do nothing to Donald here IMO. 

I still say that Garrett bashing a helmet on Rudolph should have been a criminal charge. NFL set a ridiculous baseline for that so now Donald is barely going to get a slap on the wrist (assuming he basically hit air). 

[Sugashane]

19 minutes ago, dll2000 said:

 

 

Wow. Obviously cant judge so early but this is crazy. 

[StLunatic88]

2 hours ago, HuskieBear said:

Tretter had knee problems last year, but nothing that would keep him from playing.

“Guys would be like, ‘Oh, like how are your knees doing?’” Tretter told SI.com. “And I always said, ‘My NFLPA job is gonna end my career well before my knees end my career.’”

He said that his salary expectations weren’t exorbitant. He wanted more than the minimum, but “well below the value I bring.” He also said that no team expressed curiosity regarding his knee, with no physicals or MRIs requested.

Yes, he believes he was shunned for his union activity.

“I got a call in mid-June, and it was like, ‘I didn’t realize how many people you pissed off,” Tretter said.

The NFL denied any retaliation against Tretter, because of course it did. The league referred SI.com to the various teams when asked about Tretter’s theory that he’s being ignored because, when it comes to union matters, he refuses to look the other way.

“There are teams right now that I would say are desperate for a center based off how camp’s going,” Tretter told SI.com. “Still no calls.” He added that, if someone calls now, he’ll say no. He’s instead embracing his ability to focus fully on serving as NFLPA president.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/25/jc-tretter-believes-his-nflpa-role-resulted-in-him-drawing-no-interest/https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/25/jc-tretter-believes-his-nflpa-role-resulted-in-him-drawing-no-interest/

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. 

I said, more than performance goes into signing a player. If a team doesn’t view Tretter as a game changer, it’s not hard to see why they don’t think his union connection and the whistles they are worried he would blow is just not a headache they deem worth dealing with. 

[CBears019]

3 hours ago, AZBearsFan said:

Precedent isn’t there for the league to police this in a practice, but with this video out there it’ll be hard for them to do nothing to Donald here IMO. 

I read that the NFL can’t discipline for Incidents that occur during practices, only the individual teams can.

[Madmike90]

It's obviously only preseason but if there is one time you want to play the 49ers it is in the first game of the season...Lance looks shaky against the Texans' D which shares a lot of our strengths...not as easy a start for the 9ers as the media might think it will be.

[JAF-N72EX]

54 minutes ago, Madmike90 said:

It's obviously only preseason but if there is one time you want to play the 49ers it is in the first game of the season...Lance looks shaky against the Texans' D which shares a lot of our strengths...not as easy a start for the 9ers as the media might think it will be.

I'll be honest, after watching the starters I feel more comfortable about week 1 now than I did a few hours ago. Especially the OL.  Like you said, in other words, Eberflus' defense derives from Lovie's T-2 and SF had a hard time getting anything off and I think we have a bit more talent on D than they do.

It's only preseason but still noteworthy.

[JAF-N72EX]

3 hours ago, Sugashane said:

Wow. Obviously cant judge so early but this is crazy. 

I was glad to hear Zach Thomas wasn't named as one of the players, but this is still awful if it turns out to be true (which signs are pointing it to be). 

To me, it still shows the NCAA and colleges didn't learn anything at all from Sandusky scandal.

[blkwdw13]

46 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said:

I was glad to hear Zach Thomas wasn't named as one of the players, but this is still awful if it turns out to be true (which signs are pointing it to be). 

To me, it still shows the NCAA and colleges didn't learn anything at all from Sandusky scandal.

The weird thing about this is people were saying this has been going around since October and it was never brought up until now. We’ll see what actually comes out of it all. 

[JAF-N72EX]

1 hour ago, blkwdw13 said:

The weird thing about this is people were saying this has been going around since October and it was never brought up until now. We’ll see what actually comes out of it all. 

Yeah. The school, the SD police department, and even the DA apparently knew all about it back in October. On the 27th they got him to admit he had sex via text by helping coach the girl through a string of texts.  Which makes it even worse.  And the fact he was still allowed to play in the Fresno game on October 30th is just sick.
 

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/complaint-accuses-former-sdsu-star-punter-two-other-players-in-gang-rape-of-teen-at-party-last-fall/3032239/

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On October 27, investigators coached the teen as she messaged Ewaliko, asking for Araiza's number and other questions, like, "What happened with me and Matt? Did we have sex?" according to the complaint.

On a call with Araiza the next day, Araiza allegedly confirmed he had sex with the teen, according to the complaint, and told the teen he had tested positive for chlamydia and suggested she get tested.

"To cement the criminal case against Araiza, the detectives asked [Jane] Doe to ask again, 'And did we have actual sex?'" the complaint reads. "The detectives knew that asking such a direct question like this might raise red flags for Araiza, which they tried to manage by telling Doe to ask the question 'When you can bring it up again.' As expected, however, when Doe asked the awkward question, Araiza immediately changed his tone, saying, 'This is Matt Araiza. I don't remember anything that happened that night,' at which time he terminated the pretext call by hanging up on Doe."

 

 

Proven until innocent...okay...I get it.  But why was this kid even still allowed to play 7 more games after this?  This is the part where I hold law enforcement and the school responsible..... just like Penn State.

If a player is under an investigation of this magnitude and the case already has enough legs then that player should not be allowed to continue playing and possible use his stature as a "football player" in order to possibly coax other girls until the case is dissolved. Or, at the very least, to the point where law enforcement doesn't have enough evidence to go on. Which clearly isn't the case here.

It's just like if a regular person, who isn't an athlete, is under investigation for child porn,  molestation, or anything of that nature then they are immediately forbidden to be around children in most states.

Whats more, and what's REALLY funny about all of this, is that law enforcement can stop and "detain" you strictly because of  "suspicion for committing a crime". So why wasn't this applied back in October? 

And why didn't SDSU push for it? Or do something about it on their own outside of law enforcement (which they have the right to do)?  I have my own conspiracy theory behind it and it leads me back to the Sandusky case. Penn State hid it for years because it would've hurt their amount of high level recruits and reputation and they cared more about that than they did about the victims.

End rant. Sorry Blk. I obviously had a lot to say on the subject. Nothing towards you lol.

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by JAF-N72EX