AFlaccoSeagulls Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 20 minutes ago, HoboRocket said: Hollywood had 1,000 yards with the Ravens. Tyreek would have 1,200 minimum. Since Lamar has taken over as QB, Ravens WR's have the least amount of catches and yards in the NFL. Yeah, Hollywood had a 1,000 yard year (mostly without Lamar) and then he went to the front office and demanded a trade because of our scheme! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Since Lamar has taken over as QB, Ravens WR's have the least amount of catches and yards in the NFL. Yeah, Hollywood had a 1,000 yard year (mostly without Lamar) and then he went to the front office and demanded a trade because of our scheme! How much is it scheme and how much has it been talent, in your opinion? In recent years I feel like the Ravens haven't really addressed the position in any meaningful way outside of drafting Bateman and Brown. Most of the other WR additions have been mid/late rounders and washed Free Agents, no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinSting Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Will never forget, I was on vacation in upstate New York, checked my phone for sports news to shockingly learn Tyreek had been traded to the Dolphins. Oh what a day. What a lovely day. <moviequote> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, FinSting said: Will never forget, I was on vacation in upstate New York, checked my phone for sports news to shockingly learn Tyreek had been traded to the Dolphins. Oh what a day. What a lovely day. <moviequote> Where does one vacation in upstate NY? The Adirondacks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Hard to really say who is the clear #1 between the top guys (Davante, JJ, Kupp, Hill, Diggs, Chase), but Hill certainly has as good an argument as any right now. Worth noting Dolphins have been targeting their top WRs at an unprecedented rate. Time will tell if it’s a scheme/Mike McDanis thing, or just Waddle and Hill being that good that they’re getting open at unprecedented rates. Probably a mix of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 28 minutes ago, bigbadbuff said: Where does one vacation in upstate NY? The Adirondacks? Lake George maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinSting Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, bigbadbuff said: Where does one vacation in upstate NY? The Adirondacks? Yes up near Lake Placid. Freaking every gas station had Bills flags for sale. Even in northern Pennsylvania, a state that has the Steelers and Eagles. Hmph. Remember the storyline back then. "Tyreek will never put up numbers with Tua." Hmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoSojia Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 I'm really happy he's not in the AFC West anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 2 hours ago, iknowcool said: What offense would he not fit in well with? Seriously. Tyreek Hill is the system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 58 minutes ago, TheKillerNacho said: How much is it scheme and how much has it been talent, in your opinion? In recent years I feel like the Ravens haven't really addressed the position in any meaningful way outside of drafting Bateman and Brown. Most of the other WR additions have been mid/late rounders and washed Free Agents, no? In my opinion it's a mix of scheme, coaching, talent and also just Lamar. Until this past year the team had invested 2 first-round picks, a handful of mid-round picks and some free agent acquisitions to get Lamar guys on the outside so IMO I don't think that's an issue. Now, this year is completely different and I 100% put this year on the FO because they chose to ignore WR at every opportunity. So... Scheme: It's well-known that Roman's scheme is not WR-friendly. It's a run-first offense where passing concepts come second and the routes often end up on top of each other because the passing game takes a back seat to the run game. Guys like Steve Smith, Hollywood Brown and numerous other WR's have been pretty outspoken about Roman's system, and even analysts have exhaustively detailed his passing concepts and how lackluster they are, to go with the sheer amount of opportunities potential WR's have in this system. Lastly, it's well-documented how many times we see receivers running routes in that end up on top of each other. The lack of details in our passing game shines constantly. Coaching: Despite drafting lots of WR's over the years, virtually none of them outside of Hollywood have panned out in the slightest. It's become a running joke with our franchise where a young drafted WR will show out in camp/preseason then disappear in the regular. From Chris Moore to James Proche to Tylan Wallace, the list extends back to Joe Flacco's hand-picked WR Tandon Doss. We simply never see improvement or development from our drafted receivers. Furthermore, did you see how many times last night Lamar was rushing to get guys lined up correctly? It's week 9 and this offense can't line up correctly on like 20% of our plays. Talent: Kind of goes hand-in-hand with coaching. The talent at the WR position always seems to be lacking no matter who is out there. Is it because the players just suck? Is it bad coaching? Who knows... Lamar: The last piece of this puzzle is Lamar himself. Lamar does not thrive throwing the ball outside the numbers, primarily because his accuracy there is just not what you would expect from a top 5 QB. Our run game creates A LOT of traffic in the middle of the field, so outside WR's are almost always single covered, yet Lamar routinely has a hard time throwing out there. Additionally, Lamar's accuracy deep is lackluster as well. Last night is a small sample size but kind of highlights Lamar's issues as a passer. Several instances of missing WR's deep, several instances of missing wide open receivers crossing his face only to force a pass to a covered TE. So even when Roman's system does create an open WR, Lamar has a habit of tunnel-visioning the TE's over the middle of the field instead of going through his progressions and finding the open guy. In conclusion: It's everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Who cares......he is not a good human being. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 7 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Since Lamar has taken over as QB, Ravens WR's have the least amount of catches and yards in the NFL. Yeah, Hollywood had a 1,000 yard year (mostly without Lamar) and then he went to the front office and demanded a trade because of our scheme! Tyreek is the one WR in the NFL who can definitely make the most out of nothing. He can take it to the house on a 3 yard curl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I think if the Rams could get their ish together we'd be talking about Kupp too And if D-Hop played the entire season, he'd be up there too. Tyreek is averaging more yards but Hop in 3 games is averaging more catches and TDs per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phinsesq Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 In the league now this year (which could change by years end)... yes all time no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 It's hard to argue against it when he's on pace for the greatest season ever after he left KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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