Daniel Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, MikeT14 said: I'm with you. I wouldn't really want to touch him either unless it's potentially a late Day 3 at best at this time. That said, throwing a name out there regardless who maybe could turn. Yeah, but he had a very, very strong finish to the season. Beating Tennessee and Clemson and almost beating Notre Dame, in three very well QBed games, is a ridiculous three game resume. If that's indicative of the level of play he'll be at next season, then he'll get into the conversation quickly. But that is an awfully big but. Just looking at the game they played against Tennessee, and nothing else, he was the best QB we faced this season. And that's a season that saw Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Stetson Bennett, Will Levis, and Keedon Slovis all face the Vols. Rattler was flawless. I know it was possibly the best game of his career, but I see the upside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 With Rattler you can at least see the arm talent and accuracy to go with a nice stretch at the end of the season. He's got some decision making issues and is athletically limited, but he is a bit of an intriguing guy as a Day 2 type pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 47 minutes ago, Daniel said: Yeah, but he had a very, very strong finish to the season. Beating Tennessee and Clemson and almost beating Notre Dame, in three very well QBed games, is a ridiculous three game resume. If that's indicative of the level of play he'll be at next season, then he'll get into the conversation quickly. But that is an awfully big but. Just looking at the game they played against Tennessee, and nothing else, he was the best QB we faced this season. And that's a season that saw Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Stetson Bennett, Will Levis, and Keedon Slovis all face the Vols. Rattler was flawless. I know it was possibly the best game of his career, but I see the upside. In fact, just piggybacking off of this, since Tennessee faced pretty much every big QB this season other than Stroud, here's how they compare (threw in Daniels, Slovis, and Rattler for comparison): Slovis: 14/24, 195 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 4 sack 45.8 QBR Richardson: 24/44, 453 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 17 rush, 62 yd, 2 TD, 1 sack 80.3 QBR Daniels: 32/45, 300 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 5 sack 53.1 QBR Young: 32/45, 455 yds, 2 TD, 1 sack 87.9 QBR Levis: 16/27, 98 yds, 3 INT, 4 sack 13.4 QBR (season low QBR for all Vols opponents) Bennett: 17/25, 257 yds, 2 TD, 1 rush, 13 yd, 1 TD, 97.8 QBR Rattler: 30/37, 438 yds, 6 TD, 1 sack 97.5 QBR Now I know box score scouting doesn't tell you the whole story by any means, but yeah, Rattler went off. Also, I forgot just how bad Levis was in that game. Probably a big reason I think he's such a bad prospect. Literally played the worst game of any QB that Tennessee faced this whole season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Daniel said: In fact, just piggybacking off of this, since Tennessee faced pretty much every big QB this season other than Stroud, here's how they compare (threw in Daniels, Slovis, and Rattler for comparison): Slovis: 14/24, 195 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 4 sack 45.8 QBR Richardson: 24/44, 453 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 17 rush, 62 yd, 2 TD, 1 sack 80.3 QBR Daniels: 32/45, 300 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 5 sack 53.1 QBR Young: 32/45, 455 yds, 2 TD, 1 sack 87.9 QBR Levis: 16/27, 98 yds, 3 INT, 4 sack 13.4 QBR (season low QBR for all Vols opponents) Bennett: 17/25, 257 yds, 2 TD, 1 rush, 13 yd, 1 TD, 97.8 QBR Rattler: 30/37, 438 yds, 6 TD, 1 sack 97.5 QBR Now I know box score scouting doesn't tell you the whole story by any means, but yeah, Rattler went off. Also, I forgot just how bad Levis was in that game. Probably a big reason I think he's such a bad prospect. Literally played the worst game of any QB that Tennessee faced this whole season. Rattlers ball placement against us was arguably the best I've ever seen from a college QB over the course of a game. Seemed like every throw was perfect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Obviously, he has another year to progress and grow up but I'd be hard pressed to spend a high pick on a guy who threw 1/3 of his TDs in one game, has massive consistency/decision making issues, and seems to be pretty unliked in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 hours ago, MikeT14 said: I'm with you. I wouldn't really want to touch him either unless it's potentially a late Day 3 at best at this time. That said, throwing a name out there regardless who maybe could turn. As a Day 3 QB, you could do worse. As a Day 1 or early Day 2, absolutely not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 On 1/4/2023 at 2:34 PM, JetsandI said: Cameron Ward Riley Leonard Collin Schlee I don't know about 1st round lock but they should be taken in first 3 rounds if everything goes well. Ward and Leonard are interesting no question but in this QB class which could be one of the deepest in the history of the NFL draft. Ward and Leonard might be best to return to school but all depends on how they play of course, but the class is totally loaded with all the QBs returning for what I assume to be the NIL money they get so why not come back. The first 8-10 guys on this that could have declared for the 2023 draft I had all declaring before the season started and some added during the season because of their play. Now all are in the 2024 group. Caleb Williams USC JR Drake Maye UNC RS SOPH Spencer Rattler South Carolina RS SR JJ McCarthy Michigan JR Bo Nix Oregon RS SR Michael Penix Jr Washington RS SR Jordan Travis Florida State RS SR Sam Hartman Notre Dame RS SR Devin Leary Kentucky RS SR Jayden Daniels LSU RS SR KJ Jefferson Arkansas RS SR Cameron Rising Utah RS SR DJ Uiagalelei Oregon State SR Taulia Tagovailoa Maryland RS SR Grayson McCall Coastal Carolina RS SR Will Rogers Miss State SR Joe Milton III Tennessee RS SR Tyler Shough Texas Tech RS SR Kedon Slovis BYU RS SR Phil Jurkovec Pitt RS SR John Rhys Plumlee UCF RS SR Casey Thompson Nebraska RS SR Brennan Armstrong NC State RS SR Jeff Sims Nebraska SR Hank Bachmeier La Tech RS SR Jalon Daniels Kansas SR Spencer Sanders NA RS SR JT Daniels Rice RS Dillon Gabriel Oklahoma RS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 On 1/4/2023 at 11:45 AM, Danger said: Who else do you think should be mentioned as a potential early guy/climber? Quinn Ewers seems like a guy that could skyrocket going into his second season at Texas with a year in their system under his belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben07MVP Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 On 1/4/2023 at 2:51 PM, Scoundrel said: Jordan Travis FSU will be a name. I am curious what non-bias fans think of him as an NFL prospect. He put up very similar stats to Bryce Young this year (#1 QBR in the nation) but is slightly bigger and more dangerous with his legs. He’s got the arm to make all the throws and Norvell has really developed the mental side of his game too. Other than size/durability concerns I don’t see why he can’t be a top 10 pick next year if he has another season like last year. But would like to hear other’s opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsujin Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, bigben07MVP said: Other than size/durability concerns I don’t see why he can’t be a top 10 pick next year if he has another season like last year. But would like to hear other’s opinions. His lower body mechanics have been less than desirable, to put it lightly. I'm not sure why it hasn't gotten much better after a few years at FSU. But the knock on Mahomes was lower body mechanics, too. Edited January 26, 2023 by Tetsujin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, bigben07MVP said: I am curious what non-bias fans think of him as an NFL prospect. He put up very similar stats to Bryce Young this year (#1 QBR in the nation) but is slightly bigger and more dangerous with his legs. He’s got the arm to make all the throws and Norvell has really developed the mental side of his game too. Other than size/durability concerns I don’t see why he can’t be a top 10 pick next year if he has another season like last year. But would like to hear other’s opinions. He will be 24 a week after he is drafted. He should have come out this year. He’d have ended up a first round pick imo and likely one that went to a better situation. As the poster above me stated there are some lower mechanic issues with his base at times. I think he has a lot of potential and he will be fighting for 3rd or 4th QB next year but he would probably have been doing that this year. Not sure how much more developing he will do at FSU vs the NFL development he would have gotten this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsujin Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) As an FSU fan, I'm glad JT13 is back. We have a real shot to unseat Clemson in 2023. But him, Verse, and Benson I thought should've gone pro. Verse was perhaps a 1st rounder, Benson a Day 2 guy, and Travis probably a 4th rounder. Edited January 26, 2023 by Tetsujin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 20 minutes ago, Tetsujin said: As an FSU fan, I'm glad JT13 is back. We have a real shot to unseat Clemson in 2023. But him, Verse, and Benson I thought should've gone pro. Verse was perhaps a 1st rounder, Benson a Day 2 guy, and Travis probably a 4th rounder. Travis was going to rise in the ore draft process I’d bet the house 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben07MVP Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 24 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Travis was going to rise in the ore draft process I’d bet the house He will be a low 4.4 guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben07MVP Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 45 minutes ago, Tetsujin said: As an FSU fan, I'm glad JT13 is back. We have a real shot to unseat Clemson in 2023. But him, Verse, and Benson I thought should've gone pro. Verse was perhaps a 1st rounder, Benson a Day 2 guy, and Travis probably a 4th rounder. I agree but selfishly I am happy they are all returning. I think Lovett could’ve been a pre-draft riser as well. I bet he would’ve dominated the senior bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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