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Who takes home the W?  

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  1. 1. Who takes home the W?

    • Chiefs
      55
    • Eagles
      64


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2 hours ago, Jakuvious said:

That's just...not true?

2021:

K😄 6 for 46 yards
Opponents: 11 for 90 yards

KC: 3 for 25
Pittsburgh: 4 for 45

KC: 1 for 10
Buffalo: 3 for 15

KC: 2 for 11
Cincy: 4 for 30

2022:

KC: 10 for 99
Opponents: 20 for 144

KC: 3 for 30
Jacksonville: 5 for 40

KC: 4 for 55
Cincy: 9 for 71

KC: 3 for 14
Philly: 6 for 33

Total:

KC: 16 for 145
Opponents: 31 for 234

You're off by a wide margin on our opponents' penalties, and I'm not sure why. There is a gap there, still, but it amounts to about 2 penalties for 15 yards per game, and you can basically get that gap just from us having the fewest false starts and like the 3rd fewest delay of games of any team in football this year. And you only have to go back one more playoff game for that entire gap to be wiped out from when we were called for 11 penalties for 120 yards in the 2020 superbowl.

Let's be honest though, aside from the KC/Cincy game, these are all really low penalty totals. And what they are calling are almost entirely procedural. The superbowl had 4 offsides, 2 false starts, and a delay of game. The average game this year had just over 11 penalties, and only the KC/Cincy game hit that mark. They clearly don't call much judgment stuff in the postseason.

To add on;   The INT’s called back because of flags always irks me a bit.    People do realize Patrick throws in that direction when he sees the foul right?   It would the same as other QB’s throwing it away, or taking the sack while a flag was thrown.    It just looks worse because he chucks to draw more attention when he sees it.     
 

Not saying that is always the case, Patrick will throw up some gimmes… but a large portion of those INT’s brought back,  he saw before he let go of the ball. 

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4 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said:

I’d like to see the regular season and postseason #s between Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady (all 3 lol.. absurd), Manning (03-07) and Montana… but yes, probably

Posted this elsewhere...

Random, but via PFO the highest DYAR and DVOA for QBs over a 5-year stretch recorded (going back to 1981)

DYAR:

2003-2007 Peyton Manning: 9,999
2009-2013 Tom Brady: 8,939
1984-1988 Dan Marino: 8,360
2018-2022 Patrick Mahomes: 8,192
2009-2013 Drew Brees: 8,153
2010-2014 Aaron Rodgers: 7.045
1981-1985 Dan Fouts: 7,017
1991-1995 Steve Young: 6,542
2009-2013 Philip Rivers: 6,235
2014-2018 Ben Roethlisberger: 5,968

DVOA:

2003-07 Peyton Manning: 45.2%
1981-85 Dan Fouts: 36.5%
1983-87 Dan Marino: 34.8%
1991-95 Steve Young: 34.5%
2009-13 Tom Brady: 33.7%
2010-14 Aaron Rodgers: 30.9%
1991-95 Troy Aikman: 29.8%
2018-22 Patrick Mahomes: 29.3%
2016-20 Drew Brees: 29.0%
1983-87 Joe Montana: 27.1%

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13 minutes ago, TecmoSuperJoe said:

Posted this elsewhere...

Random, but via PFO the highest DYAR and DVOA for QBs over a 5-year stretch recorded (going back to 1981)

DYAR:

2003-2007 Peyton Manning: 9,999
2009-2013 Tom Brady: 8,939
1984-1988 Dan Marino: 8,360
2018-2022 Patrick Mahomes: 8,192
2009-2013 Drew Brees: 8,153
2010-2014 Aaron Rodgers: 7.045
1981-1985 Dan Fouts: 7,017
1991-1995 Steve Young: 6,542
2009-2013 Philip Rivers: 6,235
2014-2018 Ben Roethlisberger: 5,968

DVOA:

2003-07 Peyton Manning: 45.2%
1981-85 Dan Fouts: 36.5%
1983-87 Dan Marino: 34.8%
1991-95 Steve Young: 34.5%
2009-13 Tom Brady: 33.7%
2010-14 Aaron Rodgers: 30.9%
1991-95 Troy Aikman: 29.8%
2018-22 Patrick Mahomes: 29.3%
2016-20 Drew Brees: 29.0%
1983-87 Joe Montana: 27.1%

Interesting, regular season only I presume? Era adjusted metrics like this are a must since Mahomes will blow out the pre-2010 competition otherwise. 
 

Peyton’s postseason #s are probably as bad (vs the field) as his regular season #s are good

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2 hours ago, Jakuvious said:

That's just...not true?

2021:

K😄 6 for 46 yards
Opponents: 11 for 90 yards

KC: 3 for 25
Pittsburgh: 4 for 45

KC: 1 for 10
Buffalo: 3 for 15

KC: 2 for 11
Cincy: 4 for 30

2022:

KC: 10 for 99
Opponents: 20 for 144

KC: 3 for 30
Jacksonville: 5 for 40

KC: 4 for 55
Cincy: 9 for 71

KC: 3 for 14
Philly: 6 for 33

Total:

KC: 16 for 145
Opponents: 31 for 234

You're off by a wide margin on our opponents' penalties, and I'm not sure why. There is a gap there, still, but it amounts to about 2 penalties for 15 yards per game, and you can basically get that gap just from us having the fewest false starts and like the 3rd fewest delay of games of any team in football this year. And you only have to go back one more playoff game for that entire gap to be wiped out from when we were called for 11 penalties for 120 yards in the 2020 superbowl.

Let's be honest though, aside from the KC/Cincy game, these are all really low penalty totals. And what they are calling are almost entirely procedural. The superbowl had 4 offsides, 2 false starts, and a delay of game. The average game this year had just over 11 penalties, and only the KC/Cincy game hit that mark. They clearly don't call much judgment stuff in the postseason.

Gah you’re correct. I accidentally added my 2021 total into the same column again so I ended up with 22/180 instead of 11/90. Good catch. It’s still a major discrepancy though; nearly 2 to 1. And there’s not a single game out of seven that the other team didn’t get called for more penalties.

Yes, and in that Super Bowl they were playing against who.. Tom Brady. And his Bucs got away with murder in that game.. because he’s Tom Brady. I’m not a KC fan and I will be the first to tell you that game wasn’t called fairly at all.

Don’t get me wrong, I still think the Chiefs are one of the best teams in the NFL. But preferential treatment has existed in the league for a long time and to a lot of people’s eyes including my own, KC is now reaping some of the benefits of that. 

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41 minutes ago, RedGold said:

To add on;   The INT’s called back because of flags always irks me a bit.    People do realize Patrick throws in that direction when he sees the foul right?   It would the same as other QB’s throwing it away, or taking the sack while a flag was thrown.    It just looks worse because he chucks to draw more attention when he sees it.     
 

Not saying that is always the case, Patrick will throw up some gimmes… but a large portion of those INT’s brought back,  he saw before he let go of the ball. 

Oh absolutely. I’m not implying that whenever Mahomes throws a pic, the refs all look around for an excuse to throw a flag. 

What I’m saying is that whenever Mahomes sees that foul, he can afford to throw it over there with little risk because he knows he’s gonna get that call regardless of if it gets picked or not. Ryan Tannehill can’t say that. Sam Darnold can’t say that. Tyler Huntley, Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, and Sam Howell can’t say that. It’s different when you get the Tom Brady treatment. 

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9 minutes ago, 1234567 said:

Oh absolutely. I’m not implying that whenever Mahomes throws a pic, the refs all look around for an excuse to throw a flag. 

What I’m saying is that whenever Mahomes sees that foul, he can afford to throw it over there with little risk because he knows he’s gonna get that call regardless of if it gets picked or not. Ryan Tannehill can’t say that. Sam Darnold can’t say that. Tyler Huntley, Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, and Sam Howell can’t say that. It’s different when you get the Tom Brady treatment. 

I’m pretty sure there are other factors in play as to why the guys you listed don’t throw the same balls,  and it’s not because of a “Tom Brady Treatment”

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1 hour ago, RandyMossIsBoss said:

Interesting, regular season only I presume? Era adjusted metrics like this are a must since Mahomes will blow out the pre-2010 competition otherwise. 
 

Peyton’s postseason #s are probably as bad (vs the field) as his regular season #s are good

I think it is just regular season. Because Dan Fouts' DVOA probably shouldn't be that high if we include playoffs, and Montana's DVOA from '89 would move his timeframe up from '83. Manning definitely wouldn't be the leader in DVOA playoffs inserted. 

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9 hours ago, 1234567 said:

In the past 2 post seasons, the Chiefs have been penalized a total of 16 times for 145 yards. Their opponents? Forty two for 324 yards. Mahomes also leads the league in interceptions negated by penalty over the last two seasons and it’s not close.

Look, if people want to discuss the talent and play calling that’s totally fair. KC is top notch. But it’s disingenuous at best to dismiss people’s complaints about the officiating like it’s some sort of tin foil hat theory. They receive obvious preferential treatment as did Tom Brady’s teams when he was the darling of the league. Just goes with the territory. 

REFS NATION SIT THE HELL DOWN 

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17 hours ago, mattyice0401 said:

Was thinking about this last night in bed but where the hell was Robert Quinn that game? Did he play at all? You can kinda say that about the entire Eagles defense but dang. I didnt see him once on the field lol

Chiefs offensive line put on a master class performance yesterday. 

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