candyman93 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Jalen Hurts is a franchise QB. He really shocked me last night on some of his throws, especially on 3rd and long situations. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Jakuvious said: That's just...not true? 2021: K😄 6 for 46 yards Opponents: 11 for 90 yards KC: 3 for 25 Pittsburgh: 4 for 45 KC: 1 for 10 Buffalo: 3 for 15 KC: 2 for 11 Cincy: 4 for 30 2022: KC: 10 for 99 Opponents: 20 for 144 KC: 3 for 30 Jacksonville: 5 for 40 KC: 4 for 55 Cincy: 9 for 71 KC: 3 for 14 Philly: 6 for 33 Total: KC: 16 for 145 Opponents: 31 for 234 You're off by a wide margin on our opponents' penalties, and I'm not sure why. There is a gap there, still, but it amounts to about 2 penalties for 15 yards per game, and you can basically get that gap just from us having the fewest false starts and like the 3rd fewest delay of games of any team in football this year. And you only have to go back one more playoff game for that entire gap to be wiped out from when we were called for 11 penalties for 120 yards in the 2020 superbowl. Let's be honest though, aside from the KC/Cincy game, these are all really low penalty totals. And what they are calling are almost entirely procedural. The superbowl had 4 offsides, 2 false starts, and a delay of game. The average game this year had just over 11 penalties, and only the KC/Cincy game hit that mark. They clearly don't call much judgment stuff in the postseason. To add on; The INT’s called back because of flags always irks me a bit. People do realize Patrick throws in that direction when he sees the foul right? It would the same as other QB’s throwing it away, or taking the sack while a flag was thrown. It just looks worse because he chucks to draw more attention when he sees it. Not saying that is always the case, Patrick will throw up some gimmes… but a large portion of those INT’s brought back, he saw before he let go of the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RandyMossIsBoss Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: I’d like to see the regular season and postseason #s between Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady (all 3 lol.. absurd), Manning (03-07) and Montana… but yes, probably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: I’d like to see the regular season and postseason #s between Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady (all 3 lol.. absurd), Manning (03-07) and Montana… but yes, probably Posted this elsewhere... Random, but via PFO the highest DYAR and DVOA for QBs over a 5-year stretch recorded (going back to 1981) DYAR: 2003-2007 Peyton Manning: 9,999 2009-2013 Tom Brady: 8,939 1984-1988 Dan Marino: 8,360 2018-2022 Patrick Mahomes: 8,192 2009-2013 Drew Brees: 8,153 2010-2014 Aaron Rodgers: 7.045 1981-1985 Dan Fouts: 7,017 1991-1995 Steve Young: 6,542 2009-2013 Philip Rivers: 6,235 2014-2018 Ben Roethlisberger: 5,968 DVOA: 2003-07 Peyton Manning: 45.2% 1981-85 Dan Fouts: 36.5% 1983-87 Dan Marino: 34.8% 1991-95 Steve Young: 34.5% 2009-13 Tom Brady: 33.7% 2010-14 Aaron Rodgers: 30.9% 1991-95 Troy Aikman: 29.8% 2018-22 Patrick Mahomes: 29.3% 2016-20 Drew Brees: 29.0% 1983-87 Joe Montana: 27.1% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RandyMossIsBoss Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 13 minutes ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: Posted this elsewhere... Random, but via PFO the highest DYAR and DVOA for QBs over a 5-year stretch recorded (going back to 1981) DYAR: 2003-2007 Peyton Manning: 9,999 2009-2013 Tom Brady: 8,939 1984-1988 Dan Marino: 8,360 2018-2022 Patrick Mahomes: 8,192 2009-2013 Drew Brees: 8,153 2010-2014 Aaron Rodgers: 7.045 1981-1985 Dan Fouts: 7,017 1991-1995 Steve Young: 6,542 2009-2013 Philip Rivers: 6,235 2014-2018 Ben Roethlisberger: 5,968 DVOA: 2003-07 Peyton Manning: 45.2% 1981-85 Dan Fouts: 36.5% 1983-87 Dan Marino: 34.8% 1991-95 Steve Young: 34.5% 2009-13 Tom Brady: 33.7% 2010-14 Aaron Rodgers: 30.9% 1991-95 Troy Aikman: 29.8% 2018-22 Patrick Mahomes: 29.3% 2016-20 Drew Brees: 29.0% 1983-87 Joe Montana: 27.1% Interesting, regular season only I presume? Era adjusted metrics like this are a must since Mahomes will blow out the pre-2010 competition otherwise. Peyton’s postseason #s are probably as bad (vs the field) as his regular season #s are good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Jakuvious said: That's just...not true? 2021: K😄 6 for 46 yards Opponents: 11 for 90 yards KC: 3 for 25 Pittsburgh: 4 for 45 KC: 1 for 10 Buffalo: 3 for 15 KC: 2 for 11 Cincy: 4 for 30 2022: KC: 10 for 99 Opponents: 20 for 144 KC: 3 for 30 Jacksonville: 5 for 40 KC: 4 for 55 Cincy: 9 for 71 KC: 3 for 14 Philly: 6 for 33 Total: KC: 16 for 145 Opponents: 31 for 234 You're off by a wide margin on our opponents' penalties, and I'm not sure why. There is a gap there, still, but it amounts to about 2 penalties for 15 yards per game, and you can basically get that gap just from us having the fewest false starts and like the 3rd fewest delay of games of any team in football this year. And you only have to go back one more playoff game for that entire gap to be wiped out from when we were called for 11 penalties for 120 yards in the 2020 superbowl. Let's be honest though, aside from the KC/Cincy game, these are all really low penalty totals. And what they are calling are almost entirely procedural. The superbowl had 4 offsides, 2 false starts, and a delay of game. The average game this year had just over 11 penalties, and only the KC/Cincy game hit that mark. They clearly don't call much judgment stuff in the postseason. Gah you’re correct. I accidentally added my 2021 total into the same column again so I ended up with 22/180 instead of 11/90. Good catch. It’s still a major discrepancy though; nearly 2 to 1. And there’s not a single game out of seven that the other team didn’t get called for more penalties. Yes, and in that Super Bowl they were playing against who.. Tom Brady. And his Bucs got away with murder in that game.. because he’s Tom Brady. I’m not a KC fan and I will be the first to tell you that game wasn’t called fairly at all. Don’t get me wrong, I still think the Chiefs are one of the best teams in the NFL. But preferential treatment has existed in the league for a long time and to a lot of people’s eyes including my own, KC is now reaping some of the benefits of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 41 minutes ago, RedGold said: To add on; The INT’s called back because of flags always irks me a bit. People do realize Patrick throws in that direction when he sees the foul right? It would the same as other QB’s throwing it away, or taking the sack while a flag was thrown. It just looks worse because he chucks to draw more attention when he sees it. Not saying that is always the case, Patrick will throw up some gimmes… but a large portion of those INT’s brought back, he saw before he let go of the ball. Oh absolutely. I’m not implying that whenever Mahomes throws a pic, the refs all look around for an excuse to throw a flag. What I’m saying is that whenever Mahomes sees that foul, he can afford to throw it over there with little risk because he knows he’s gonna get that call regardless of if it gets picked or not. Ryan Tannehill can’t say that. Sam Darnold can’t say that. Tyler Huntley, Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, and Sam Howell can’t say that. It’s different when you get the Tom Brady treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, 1234567 said: Oh absolutely. I’m not implying that whenever Mahomes throws a pic, the refs all look around for an excuse to throw a flag. What I’m saying is that whenever Mahomes sees that foul, he can afford to throw it over there with little risk because he knows he’s gonna get that call regardless of if it gets picked or not. Ryan Tannehill can’t say that. Sam Darnold can’t say that. Tyler Huntley, Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, and Sam Howell can’t say that. It’s different when you get the Tom Brady treatment. I’m pretty sure there are other factors in play as to why the guys you listed don’t throw the same balls, and it’s not because of a “Tom Brady Treatment” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Interesting, regular season only I presume? Era adjusted metrics like this are a must since Mahomes will blow out the pre-2010 competition otherwise. Peyton’s postseason #s are probably as bad (vs the field) as his regular season #s are good I think it is just regular season. Because Dan Fouts' DVOA probably shouldn't be that high if we include playoffs, and Montana's DVOA from '89 would move his timeframe up from '83. Manning definitely wouldn't be the leader in DVOA playoffs inserted. Edited February 14, 2023 by TecmoSuperJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 So controversial. Especially since the refs warned Bradberry several times to knock it off with the grabbing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Mahomes will be perceived as the GOAT soon, mark it, book it, you've heard it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 9 hours ago, 1234567 said: In the past 2 post seasons, the Chiefs have been penalized a total of 16 times for 145 yards. Their opponents? Forty two for 324 yards. Mahomes also leads the league in interceptions negated by penalty over the last two seasons and it’s not close. Look, if people want to discuss the talent and play calling that’s totally fair. KC is top notch. But it’s disingenuous at best to dismiss people’s complaints about the officiating like it’s some sort of tin foil hat theory. They receive obvious preferential treatment as did Tom Brady’s teams when he was the darling of the league. Just goes with the territory. REFS NATION SIT THE HELL DOWN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 17 hours ago, mattyice0401 said: Was thinking about this last night in bed but where the hell was Robert Quinn that game? Did he play at all? You can kinda say that about the entire Eagles defense but dang. I didnt see him once on the field lol Chiefs offensive line put on a master class performance yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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