Dessie Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: Of the first few picks, Tucker is probably going to have the hardest time justifying his draft slot, especially if he's mostly confined to KR/PR. Unless he's Devin Hester, it's probably going to be a few years through no fault of his own. He's not there to beat Adams or Meyers and probably backs up WR3. With an offense run by Jimmy G (for now) and featuring Adams, Meyers, numerous pass catching backs, and at least 1 TE (seriously, if Hooper can play, can we run more 2 TE sets like they did with Gronk and he who shall not be named?). Gotta feel for the guy because the pick (pick, not player unless you're a real jerk) is probably going to be hated almost no matter what he winds up doing within reason. Agreed, definitely a pick I didn’t like but we’ve now got to wait and see what the kid does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Of the first few picks, Tucker is probably going to have the hardest time justifying his draft slot, especially if he's mostly confined to KR/PR. Unless he's Devin Hester, it's probably going to be a few years through no fault of his own. He's not there to beat Adams or Meyers and probably backs up WR3. With an offense run by Jimmy G (for now) and featuring Adams, Meyers, numerous pass catching backs, and at least 1 TE (seriously, if Hooper can play, can we run more 2 TE sets like they did with Gronk and he who shall not be named?). Gotta feel for the guy because the pick (pick, not player unless you're a real jerk) is probably going to be hated almost no matter what he winds up doing within reason. I can see Tucker get in the slot spelling Carter from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dessie said: Agreed, definitely a pick I didn’t like but we’ve now got to wait and see what the kid does. I'm going to need him to run the jet sweep for us. I think he has the potential to do well running it for us a couple of times a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 I think we are set to get a new coach and draft Caleb Williams/Drake Maye next year. With a rookie scale QB, should be able to spend for a defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: I think we are set to get a new coach and draft Caleb Williams/Drake Maye next year. With a rookie scale QB, should be able to spend for a defense You think the Raiders are pick 1 or 2 overall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 1 minute ago, big_palooka said: You think the Raiders are pick 1 or 2 overall? Good chance at going top 5. Trade up to get there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, big_palooka said: You think the Raiders are pick 1 or 2 overall? The Raiders forum delegation would like to trade Humble_Beast to the Saints forum for a slice of cornbread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: You think the Raiders are pick 1 or 2 overall? If Jimmy G gets hurt early, we very well could be. I don't think we're going to be that bad if he starts 13+ games. But realistically I can see him missing 3-7 games from injury and our record is pretty bad. I really don't see Hoyer winning us a lot of games, if any Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 7 hours ago, big_palooka said: If Mayer develops into a Jason Witten/Mark Andrews type player, what's the correct answer then? I mean technically yes but he hasn't. If we want to argue that Waller was an injured malcontent, then I don't disagree. But trading him was definitely a "win later" move. That being said, I like how we're drafting for sustainable success, taking the best player available, value positions, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 34 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: I mean technically yes but he hasn't. If we want to argue that Waller was an injured malcontent, then I don't disagree. But trading him was definitely a "win later" move. That being said, I like how we're drafting for sustainable success, taking the best player available, value positions, etc. The win now move was extending him then watch him stay hurt all season. What were they supposed to do risk it again. He'd be worthless after this season if he doesn't stay healthy, then watch everybody scream we should have traded after the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, raidr4life said: The win now move was extending him then watch him stay hurt all season. What were they supposed to do risk it again. He'd be worthless after this season if he doesn't stay healthy, then watch everybody scream we should have traded after the season. It's also possible that he bounces back big time this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, raidr4life said: The win now move was extending him then watch him stay hurt all season. What were they supposed to do risk it again. He'd be worthless after this season if he doesn't stay healthy, then watch everybody scream we should have traded after the season. He has been an injury issue for like 3 years leading into the season. Easy answer: Don't resign him to a big deal to start with. Nothing wrong with a new regime doing a quick "prove it" deal. Like I've said before, I don't believe that production or cost played a very big role in the move to begin with. Nothing they'd done up to that point indicated they intended to move him. McDaniels got his ego bruised, and they shipped him off. The most direct line of causation is that it was an ego trip that they then had to try and rectify. And it aligns with a very substantial amount of things said about how Josh has historically conducted business. Don't resign injury risks to big deals and don't ship people off for the sake of the manchild's ego. That's really not particularly difficult to achieve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 15 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: It's also possible that he bounces back big time this year. My question is: They paid him to be the highest paid TE in the league coming off on injury and a down year. The entire passing game was a mess and his injury hadn't fully healed up yet for the 2022 season. But that played zero role in why they resigned him to start with. Is he, too, not allowed at least 3 years to see how it goes? I mean, Waller has proven more as a TE than either Zeigler as a GM or McDaniels as a HC, no? A lot of selective calls for patience going on, it would seem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 35 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: My question is: They paid him to be the highest paid TE in the league coming off on injury and a down year. The entire passing game was a mess and his injury hadn't fully healed up yet for the 2022 season. But that played zero role in why they resigned him to start with. Is he, too, not allowed at least 3 years to see how it goes? I mean, Waller has proven more as a TE than either Zeigler as a GM or McDaniels as a HC, no? A lot of selective calls for patience going on, it would seem. Oh definitely. The jury is still out on these guys. I'm not blindly defending it. But I do think they deserve a fair shake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 BP will say his daddy has invested a ton into the defense tho. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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