vegas492 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, Mr Bad Example said: He cost us that game vs Det where he missed like 5 fgs, but I chalk that up to "dude had the worst day of his life after years of consistency." Crosby might be the guy everyone wants replaced only to wander around lamenting that he's gone when the new kicker is up and down. I remember that day a few years ago. I also remember why those kicks were missed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLGURU Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, vegas492 said: I hope we find a new kicker, but if we do not, I'm also good bringing him back. No issue whatsoever. This^ You bring some kickers into camp and keep the best one. If that's Crosby, great!!! Evaluate the KOs, FG range, accuracy and cost. It really isn't that complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgwingman Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 9 hours ago, Sandy said: The one thing Ken keeps missing is that we are going to generate cap space naturally with roster cuts. For example, we're not going to keep JRJ as a backup guard. If he gets beat in camp, he's cut to save a net of $2m. Jonathan Garvin can net us $260k. If Luke Freakin' Tenuta doesn't make the roster we save $120k. All-in-all it will add up to a few million in cap savings just by employing our rookies. So let's say we clear $3m from roster cut downs (this is likely a lower guess than reality - especially since I'm pretty sure JRJ is losing his starting job and getting cut). That would allow us to sign a free agent now that costs $3m or less. Using Foster Moreau as an example, other contracts made this offseason suggest he could be reasonably signed for 2 years, $13.5m with three void years. Let's say he gets $7.18m in year one: that's a $1.08m base salary plus $100k workout bonus and a $6m signing bonus spread across five years. That totals up to a first year cap hit of $2.38m gross, and only $1.63m net. So we can comfortably sign a free agent or two at this point and not have to worry about going over the cap. I'm pretty sure you're wrong here. Ken is showing it as the top 51 contracts, and adding two more more minimum deals to get to a 53 man roster. I get your point, but I highly doubt JRJ is getting cut this offseason. You're probably right about the void year contracts being used for free agent signings, I think we'll need them just to get a roster together for the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 9 hours ago, Sandy said: The one thing Ken keeps missing is that we are going to generate cap space naturally with roster cuts. For example, we're not going to keep JRJ as a backup guard. If he gets beat in camp, he's cut to save a net of $2m. Jonathan Garvin can net us $260k. If Luke Freakin' Tenuta doesn't make the roster we save $120k. Sandy, I am not sure that I agree with the detective work here. First, I don't think JRJ loses his spot. Second, he is one heck of a back-up in case of injury, with starts at both guard positions and a past playing RT. Third, the minimum salary for a udfa rookie is 750k in 2023, so cutting Tenuta gives you 120, which immediately goes to the next guy on the roster. You only cut guys like Garvin and Tenuta because they don't play well enough, not to save salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACKRULE Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 14 hours ago, R T said: You're funny, doubling down and you still have no clue what was even said. Just keep ramblin' on down the highway. i'm unsure where you went here but we are clearly not talking about the same thing. I made you an avi bet and you kept your feathers. Again i'll repeat for you, Crosby is gone. Sig or avi bet me i'm ok with it. I'll admit I was wrong and that the fanbase should trust everything Gute says in interviews:). Come on pluck them feathers bet me on it can't convince me. Still down the road rambling about truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACKRULE Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 14 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said: Never happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACKRULE Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, vegas492 said: I'm not arguing against leg strength. I think he's lost a lot of it. The kickoffs? I think he did lose steam last year on those. But in prior years, we asked him to hit it high and to a spot, assuming that our coverage units would get the tackle inside the 25. And they rarely did. So I feel like a lot of the "he can't kick it into the endzone" was schematic....prior to last year. Blocks. While our snapper got better last year, he still wasn't very good. Prior to last year Bojo was an awful holder. Our newer punter was a much better holder. But Mason lived through a lot of different specialists there, the blocks are not all on him. I hope we find a new kicker, but if we do not, I'm also good bringing him back. No issue whatsoever. Not much argument here, but if he's back it better be cheap. I just don't see him back, if we're retooling and going younger now is the time to drop the vets that don't cost us a dime. That money would be better off somewhere else that would be my gripe. A good kicker can't be blaming the snap and holder. Sorry i kicked if, if the kicker is calling out the holder for hlding it a CM int he wrong direction we have the wrong kicker to begin with. My thoughts. Again though I agree, only if he's dam cheap if it's anything above the vet min i let him walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: Sandy, I am not sure that I agree with the detective work here. First, I don't think JRJ loses his spot. Second, he is one heck of a back-up in case of injury, with starts at both guard positions and a past playing RT. Third, the minimum salary for a udfa rookie is 750k in 2023, so cutting Tenuta gives you 120, which immediately goes to the next guy on the roster. You only cut guys like Garvin and Tenuta because they don't play well enough, not to save salary. It's less about "cutting good players for cap space", more about the natural attrition that occurs every year at roster cut downs. Frankly, this is a natural way to pay for the practice squad, in season piggy bank, etc. Just notating how Ken (who I consider a cap doomsday survivalist) is accounting for the mid-season piggy bank, practice squad, etc when we don't even know who will make the roster. The current top 51 will not all be on the roster week 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Sandy said: It's less about "cutting good players for cap space", more about the natural attrition that occurs every year at roster cut downs. Frankly, this is a natural way to pay for the practice squad, in season piggy bank, etc. Just notating how Ken (who I consider a cap doomsday survivalist) is accounting for the mid-season piggy bank, practice squad, etc when we don't even know who will make the roster. The current top 51 will not all be on the roster week 1. I very much agree with the second paragraph 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 hours ago, vegas492 said: I remember that day a few years ago. I also remember why those kicks were missed.... Probably because he's an average to slightly below average kicker (based on OAKYAR) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) Rob Demovsky - High honor for the Packers' associate athletic trainer/director of rehab & return to play. Nate Weir has been with the Packers since 2004 and has become one of the most important members of the staff. Edited March 22, 2023 by Leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, PACKRULE said: i'm unsure where you went here but we are clearly not talking about the same thing. I made you an avi bet and you kept your feathers. Again i'll repeat for you, Crosby is gone. Sig or avi bet me i'm ok with it. I'll admit I was wrong and that the fanbase should trust everything Gute says in interviews:). Come on pluck them feathers bet me on it can't convince me. Still down the road rambling about truth. Lol, this is entering special territory. You still have zero idea what was even said yet assume I'm carrying a baton for a Crosby re-sign even though I've said nothing that could lead anyone to believe that. And you want me to wager on it on top of it. Crazy ****. I want to wager you that you are wrong about the earth being flat, I'm just going to assume you a flat earth believer because I guess that is what we do here on the internet today. Since you can do assuming based on nothing, I'll assume that I can do the same. So how about that wager flat earther? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, PACKRULE said: Not much argument here, but if he's back it better be cheap. I just don't see him back, if we're retooling and going younger now is the time to drop the vets that don't cost us a dime. That money would be better off somewhere else that would be my gripe. A good kicker can't be blaming the snap and holder. Sorry i kicked if, if the kicker is calling out the holder for hlding it a CM int he wrong direction we have the wrong kicker to begin with. My thoughts. Again though I agree, only if he's dam cheap if it's anything above the vet min i let him walk. Couple things there... If I'm a GM, I want Love knowing he's got a kicker that can handle the pressure of a FG in the last few seconds to win. And that is Crosby. Who knows what you get with a rookie. And it could be that you need to find the rookie and just stick with him, as GB did Crosby. Second....the snap and holder. Oh my. Yes! You need a cohesive unit. A snapper that can get the ball back, quickly and on the right spot. The holder needs to hold it at different angles depending on field position and length. All of those are practiced. Bojo was about the worst holder I remember seeing. And it led to those poor attempts. Our new punter is a much better holder. There are a ton of really intricate details that go into field goal kicking that you are missing. They seem small, but I assure you, they are not. That thing has to be a well oiled machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 We ain't spending above league minimum on a kicker this year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACKRULE Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, R T said: Lol, this is entering special territory. You still have zero idea what was even said yet assume I'm carrying a baton for a Crosby re-sign even though I've said nothing that could lead anyone to believe that. And you want me to wager on it on top of it. Crazy ****. I want to wager you that you are wrong about the earth being flat, I'm just going to assume you a flat earth believer because I guess that is what we do here on the internet today. Since you can do assuming based on nothing, I'll assume that I can do the same. So how about that wager flat earther? Hahaha, i'm pretty sure you were advocating his return based on Gutes comments. But now that you can't respond back and forth without insults i'll call it a day. Many disagree with you on here, its a normal process. I find it fairly sad that you can't respond with common courtesy. Enjoy your day, i'll hope i don't fall off the side. bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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