RavensTillIDie Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 I mean, there are pros and cons to switching. In the past it was always "fight through the screen, don't lose your man". Now a days the mantra is don't waste energy trying to fight through the screen, just switch your man. It works when you have a team full of guys that can respectably defend positions 1-5, but not so much for other teams trying to copy cat the scheme without the same level of personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kip Smithers said: He said back in his day there were 8-9 teams that had 4 guys that could be all stars. That was said, let that sink in. Then the worst of what he said was regarding switching on defense. Basically saying back in the day they didn’t switch and how guys shouldn’t let themselves be switched if they don’t want to. Then SAS says that the Bad Boy Pistons never switched so players today basically have no excuse. Of course they didn’t switch. The no zone rules made it very difficult to and plus there weren’t any 3 point shooting teams back then. So no reason to switch. Good god I hate what first take has done to the sports world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 8-9 teams with four caliber all stars? No, but teams were better all around as an whole.. Even in the early 2000s you had better overall teams. The switching didn't need to happen back in the day due to two traditional bigs being on the court. Now you have teams throwing out line ups with their centers being the ball handlers initiating offense and hitting threes. However, I do agree that a lot of unnecessary switching is going on if that is what he was implying. Old school cats will always think their era was better and it will be no different than guys like LeBron/Kobe/Curry/Durant/etc in 15 years saying their era was better than the current one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said: 8-9 teams with four caliber all stars? No, but teams were better all around as an whole.. Even in the early 2000s you had better overall teams. The switching didn't need to happen back in the day due to two traditional bigs being on the court. Now you have teams throwing out line ups with their centers being the ball handlers initiating offense and hitting threes. However, I do agree that a lot of unnecessary switching is going on if that is what he was implying. Old school cats will always think their era was better and it will be no different than guys like LeBron/Kobe/Curry/Durant/etc in 15 years saying their era was better than the current one. Agreed. I don't really find anything he said too outlandish. And yea, the early 2000's was amazing. You had a dominant team in the Lakers for the very early part, but even back then - The Kings, Spurs and even the Blazers were really good. In the east, you had a bunch of good teams in the 76ers, Bucks, Pacers, Nets, etc. Now it's like... Warriors and Cavaliers every single year lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 There were more contenders due to lack of player movement simple as that. And I ironically these old heads and the media are responsible for this. This insatiable need to get a ring and spurned an era by which players wanna have the best possible opportunity to win. As for switching, those old heads didn’t have to deal with that not only because of the rules but because of pick and roll. This is a pick and roll league forcing a lot of switches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 For those wondering why there was two days gap after Game 1. NBA will never pass up the opportunity to have a finals Game on prime time on Sunday night. I believe next game on Sunday will be game 7. So yeah, if some how this series gets that far, the game is shattering every ratings records in the 2000s…..or just behind the game 7 between Bos/LAL which I'm assuming is the highest rated game since the MJ days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 He's backkkkkk!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I usually hate JVG but he made some great points on rule changes that should be made for the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Lol. You dont even have to fight threw some of these screens. You dont got to switch everything. Its a dumb strategy when you are overly mismatched. They not even setting hard screens. Some are just running pass you and they switch. Its crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Not even a debate that the talent was more spread out even as little as 10 years ago than it is now. As for the talent itself, there may be an argument for the 90s having more top end talent (no idea, I'd need to see it drawn up) but top to bottom there is definitely more talent now than there was 20 years ago, and I'm certain the same will apply in 20 years when we look back at today. The best of the best transcend eras, but in the 90s you had slow footed bigs who would be unemployed in today's game, just like today plenty of these 3 pt specialists that rely on the pick and roll and rotational defensive philosophies would be unemployed in the 90s. Game really has changed, especially in the last 10 years. 1 hour ago, sdrawkcab321 said: It was a hell of a lot easier for Jordan to play defense all game when he was going up against accountants and plumbers. This. Josh Smith would be one of the greatest of all time if he played in that ancient era of the 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, dante9876 said: Lol. You dont even have to fight threw some of these screens. You dont got to switch everything. Its a dumb strategy when you are overly mismatched. They not even setting hard screens. Some are just running pass you and they switch. Its crazy. Yep, from the point of view I get what Payton is saying. You could easily fight through some of these screens. Now, it may be part of the game plan to switch everything, but sometimes it super unnecessary. Like if Looney sets a screen on you, why the hell would you switch? Fight through it and make Looney make a play. Switching everything is fine at times, but other times just a lazy type of defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyronnosaurus Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Something that made me furious. It seemed like EVERY TIME the Cavs had a guard switched on Durant, Green, or any of their bigs. Was this more of the genius if GS offense or Tyronn Lue having zero clue how to make an adjustment? I swear 80% of Durant’s points he had George Hill switched on him and not one adjustment was made. Same for Love/Thompson being switched onto Curry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tyronnosaurus said: Something that made me furious. It seemed like EVERY TIME the Cavs had a guard switched on Durant, Green, or any of their bigs. Was this more of the genius if GS offense or Tyronn Lue having zero clue how to make an adjustment? I swear 80% of Durant’s points he had George Hill switched on him and not one adjustment was made. Same for Love/Thompson being switched onto Curry. Well, the Cavs switch everything. So any screen set they are switching. To your point, the mistake isn't just switching everything, but the fact they don't give the Warriors any different looks. They just let KD/Steph play one on one with no help. If you see KD in the post against Hill, why wouldn't you send help when he is making his move? Or when Steph is dancing on Love, where is the help around the rim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyronnosaurus Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said: Well, the Cavs switch everything. So any screen set they are switching. To your point, the mistake isn't just switching everything, but the fact they don't give the Warriors any different looks. They just let KD/Steph play one on one with no help. If you see KD in the post against Hill, why wouldn't you send help when he is making his move? Or when Steph is dancing on Love, where is the help around the rim? Yeah it’s terrible. And that defense the first 3-4 minutes of the game was some of the most pathetic I have ever seen. That team is just so bad. SO BAD. LeBron taking this team to the Finals is more impressive than taking that 07 team imo. Hill is DECENT. Love is a very good starter, BORDERLINE All Star. After that... Thompson is utter garbage, Green sucks, Korver is 100 (why in the hell they don’t run more plays for him though, idk), Clarkson is a ineffective chucker, JR Smith is a 34 year old Clarkson instead 90% of the chucks are threes, Nance is a servicable bench big at most, Hood could be me or Michael Jordan - either way it doesn’t matter as he’s probably never playing a ‘meaningful’ minute in a Cavs uni again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 3 hours ago, sdrawkcab321 said: It was a hell of a lot easier for Jordan to play defense all game when he was going up against accountants and plumbers. I think the pace of the game now is really what makes guys tired. The ball flies up and down the court now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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