The Official Derek Carr Thread

[NCOUGHMAN]

11 hours ago, Geezy said:

Do we have the roster to beat good teams? Many had us winning 4-6 games this year, vs a very tough schedule and that wicked road trip we had. We’re still alive going into week 17. 

Cause of coaching imo

gruden got these guys willing to die for him

[drfrey13]

I think the better question is what QBs, FA or draft, fit Gruden's system and the talent we have.Lesser talented QBs kind find more success then Carr if they fit what we have better.  I will say it again.  I think Fitzpatrick would have more success here then Carr even though Carr has ten times the physical talent.  Remember Fitzpatrick has bottom 3 talent, a rookie coach, and a team that quit.

 

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	FUM	RTG
14	283	461	61.4	3,209	7	19	13	51	38	3	84.2
15	332	467	71.1	3,663	7.8	20	8	65	27	1	101.1

These are his stats if you average his last ten games when he was the clear starter and multiply by 15.  Carr is better in some areas and worse in others.

15

366

586.5

62.4

4161

7.04

25.5

13.5

32.7

48

87.5

62.72 (QBR)

 

His line and backs are so bad he is the teams leading rusher also.  The Raiders are 24th in scoring at 19.9 points per game and the Dolphins are 25th at 18.6 points per game.  For anyone who has made the argument that Carr needs better weapons to succeed you would have to admit that Fitz is probably better.  He has done more with less statistically.

Edited December 24, 2019 by drfrey13

[Jerry]

2 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

I think the better question is what QBs, FA or draft, fit Gruden's system and the talent we have.Lesser talented QBs kind find more success then Carr if they fit what we have better.  I will say it again.  I think Fitzpatrick would have more success here then Carr even though Carr has ten times the physical talent.  Remember Fitzpatrick has bottom 3 talent, a rookie coach, and a team that quit.

 

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	FUM	RTG
14	283	461	61.4	3,209	7	19	13	51	38	3	84.2
15	332	467	71.1	3,663	7.8	20	8	65	27	1	101.1

These are his stats if you average his last ten games when he was the clear starter and multiply by 15.  Carr is better in some areas and worse in others.

15

366

586.5

62.4

4161

7.04

25.5

13.5

32.7

48

87.5

62.72

 

His line and backs are so bad he is the teams leading rusher also.  The Raiders are 24th in scoring at 19.9 points per game and the Dolphins are 25th at 18.6 points per game.  For anyone who has made the argument that Carr needs better weapons to succeed you would have to admit that Fitz is probably better.  He has done more with less statistically.

As interesting as that would be I'd still take a pass on it. He's like Winston and Cousins, he's either on fire or ice cold. His game stats prove my point. I'll use the 2018 season with the Bucs as a reference. 4 out of 8 games he played terribly. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FitzRy00.htm

[raidr4life]

40 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

I think the better question is what QBs, FA or draft, fit Gruden's system and the talent we have.Lesser talented QBs kind find more success then Carr if they fit what we have better.  I will say it again.  I think Fitzpatrick would have more success here then Carr even though Carr has ten times the physical talent.  Remember Fitzpatrick has bottom 3 talent, a rookie coach, and a team that quit.

 

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	FUM	RTG
14	283	461	61.4	3,209	7	19	13	51	38	3	84.2
15	332	467	71.1	3,663	7.8	20	8	65	27	1	101.1

These are his stats if you average his last ten games when he was the clear starter and multiply by 15.  Carr is better in some areas and worse in others.

15

366

586.5

62.4

4161

7.04

25.5

13.5

32.7

48

87.5

62.72 (QBR)

 

His line and backs are so bad he is the teams leading rusher also.  The Raiders are 24th in scoring at 19.9 points per game and the Dolphins are 25th at 18.6 points per game.  For anyone who has made the argument that Carr needs better weapons to succeed you would have to admit that Fitz is probably better.  He has done more with less statistically.

On top of it, the wins we did get were probably more because of Jacobs than Carr, for people saying we won more games than expected it's because of Jacobs. I just think a half decent QB would have done more with this OL and running game. 

[BayRaider]

1 hour ago, drfrey13 said:

I think the better question is what QBs, FA or draft, fit Gruden's system and the talent we have.Lesser talented QBs kind find more success then Carr if they fit what we have better.  I will say it again.  I think Fitzpatrick would have more success here then Carr even though Carr has ten times the physical talent.  Remember Fitzpatrick has bottom 3 talent, a rookie coach, and a team that quit.

 

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	FUM	RTG
14	283	461	61.4	3,209	7	19	13	51	38	3	84.2
15	332	467	71.1	3,663	7.8	20	8	65	27	1	101.1

These are his stats if you average his last ten games when he was the clear starter and multiply by 15.  Carr is better in some areas and worse in others.

15

366

586.5

62.4

4161

7.04

25.5

13.5

32.7

48

87.5

62.72 (QBR)

 

His line and backs are so bad he is the teams leading rusher also.  The Raiders are 24th in scoring at 19.9 points per game and the Dolphins are 25th at 18.6 points per game.  For anyone who has made the argument that Carr needs better weapons to succeed you would have to admit that Fitz is probably better.  He has done more with less statistically.

I’ve always said Fitzpatrick fits Grudens system to a T. He’d be a slightly lesser Rich Gannon. Not a bad 2 year stop gap. 

Edited December 24, 2019 by BayRaider

[MrOaktown_56]

 

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, raidr4life said:

On top of it, the wins we did get were probably more because of Jacobs than Carr, for people saying we won more games than expected it's because of Jacobs. I just think a half decent QB would have done more with this OL and running game. 

It's too bad we don't have a half-decent qb.

[Bitty 2.0]

2 hours ago, drfrey13 said:

I think the better question is what QBs, FA or draft, fit Gruden's system and the talent we have.Lesser talented QBs kind find more success then Carr if they fit what we have better.  I will say it again.  I think Fitzpatrick would have more success here then Carr even though Carr has ten times the physical talent.  Remember Fitzpatrick has bottom 3 talent, a rookie coach, and a team that quit.

 

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	FUM	RTG
14	283	461	61.4	3,209	7	19	13	51	38	3	84.2
15	332	467	71.1	3,663	7.8	20	8	65	27	1	101.1

These are his stats if you average his last ten games when he was the clear starter and multiply by 15.  Carr is better in some areas and worse in others.

15

366

586.5

62.4

4161

7.04

25.5

13.5

32.7

48

87.5

62.72 (QBR)

 

His line and backs are so bad he is the teams leading rusher also.  The Raiders are 24th in scoring at 19.9 points per game and the Dolphins are 25th at 18.6 points per game.  For anyone who has made the argument that Carr needs better weapons to succeed you would have to admit that Fitz is probably better.  He has done more with less statistically.

 You do realize most of his stats are from garbage time going against a prevent defense.

[Geezy]

7 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Cause of coaching imo

gruden got these guys willing to die for him

Ok

[Geezy]

You guys kill me, we lose it’s Carr’s fault, we win it’s coaching and Jacobs. Where is the coaching and co. when we lose?

I just want just one of you Carr haters to show me how we can legit upgrade the QB position. Teddy B, Fitzpatrick, Jordan Love ain’t upgrades(I’ve asked this question for about a month)...

we’ve seen a 3-4 win improvement with a very flawed roster, vs a tough schedule while losing our best player just a couple days before the season and y’all act like Carr got us at 0-15...

someone pull up the 2019 Prediction Thread so all you experts can see how you felt about this talented roster before the season. 

[roi34]

Carr just won with no Jacobs and no real RB in backfield. Washington ran hard and grinds but he basically goes down at first contact and makes no one miss. 

[drfrey13]

6 hours ago, Bitty 2.0 said:

 You do realize most of his stats are from garbage time going against a prevent defense.

He has that horrible team at 4-4 over their last 8.  Player for player who do you take from their squad to replace from our squad?  I have said I think Carr is more talented but Fitz is a leader that has them playing hard.  His teammates will get frustrated with him if he goes on a interception spree but that is also why I think him in Gruden's system is a great fit.  He is still a gunslinger with a water gun but Gruden would be less likely to ask him to push his physical capabilities to the limit.  He knows when to run, when to stay in the pocket, and when you need to take a hit to complete the pass.  He has heart and inspires.  That is something I have seen very little from Carr over his career.

Half	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Int	1st	1st%	20+	Sck	Rate
1st Half	219	139	63.5	1,643	7.5	51	12	5	79	36.1	22	13	95.0
2nd Half	232	139	59.9	1,491	6.4	45	7	8	81	34.9	15	24	74.5
Last Two Minutes of Half	56	36	64.3	418	7.5	30	4	1	23	41.1	7	6	103.1

 

 

Point Situation	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Int	1st	1st%	20+	Sck	Rate
Ahead	106	65	61.3	689	6.5	51	5	5	39	36.8	5	7	76.3
Ahead by 1-8 Points	60	37	61.7	385	6.4	51	3	3	23	38.3	2	0	76.0
Ahead by 9-16 Points	42	26	61.9	282	6.7	35	2	2	15	35.7	3	7	77.7
Behind	281	169	60.1	1,959	7.0	50	10	7	93	33.1	27	29	82.7
Behind by 1-8 Points	105	65	61.9	799	7.6	42	4	2	38	36.2	13	10	90.1
Behind by 9-16 Points	82	48	58.5	533	6.5	50	2	1	23	28.0	6	9	81.0
Tied	74	49	66.2	561	7.6	28	4	1	32	43.2	6	2	101.2

 

When you break it down Carr looks better still overall but Fitz actually plays his best early.  Carr's stats would be great if you could exclude the 3rd quarter.

Quarters	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Int	1st	1st%	20+	Sck	Rate
1st Quarter	114	80	70.2	969	8.5	65	6	1	45	39.5	12	5	109.9
2nd Quarter	144	101	70.1	1,162	8.1	49	8	2	51	35.4	17	9	106.9
3rd Quarter	94	67	71.3	669	7.1	46	2	4	29	30.9	8	7	80.5
4th Quarter	115	84	73.0	863	7.5	36	4	1	53	46.1	11	6	102.2
4th Quarter within 7	52	35	67.3	385	7.4	32	2	0	23	44.2	7	2	101.8

 

[Chali21]

Fitz is a gunslinger who lives and dies with his aggression. I think that’s what most fans want but that comes with lots of TOs which will probably turn fans off. 

[Bitty 2.0]

48 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

He has that horrible team at 4-4 over their last 8.  Player for player who do you take from their squad to replace from our squad?  I have said I think Carr is more talented but Fitz is a leader that has them playing hard.  His teammates will get frustrated with him if he goes on a interception spree but that is also why I think him in Gruden's system is a great fit.  He is still a gunslinger with a water gun but Gruden would be less likely to ask him to push his physical capabilities to the limit.  He knows when to run, when to stay in the pocket, and when you need to take a hit to complete the pass.  He has heart and inspires.  That is something I have seen very little from Carr over his career.

Half	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Int	1st	1st%	20+	Sck	Rate
1st Half	219	139	63.5	1,643	7.5	51	12	5	79	36.1	22	13	95.0
2nd Half	232	139	59.9	1,491	6.4	45	7	8	81	34.9	15	24	74.5
Last Two Minutes of Half	56	36	64.3	418	7.5	30	4	1	23	41.1	7	6	103.1

 

 

Point Situation	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Int	1st	1st%	20+	Sck	Rate
Ahead	106	65	61.3	689	6.5	51	5	5	39	36.8	5	7	76.3
Ahead by 1-8 Points	60	37	61.7	385	6.4	51	3	3	23	38.3	2	0	76.0
Ahead by 9-16 Points	42	26	61.9	282	6.7	35	2	2	15	35.7	3	7	77.7
Behind	281	169	60.1	1,959	7.0	50	10	7	93	33.1	27	29	82.7
Behind by 1-8 Points	105	65	61.9	799	7.6	42	4	2	38	36.2	13	10	90.1
Behind by 9-16 Points	82	48	58.5	533	6.5	50	2	1	23	28.0	6	9	81.0
Tied	74	49	66.2	561	7.6	28	4	1	32	43.2	6	2	101.2

 

When you break it down Carr looks better still overall but Fitz actually plays his best early.  Carr's stats would be great if you could exclude the 3rd quarter.

Quarters	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Int	1st	1st%	20+	Sck	Rate
1st Quarter	114	80	70.2	969	8.5	65	6	1	45	39.5	12	5	109.9
2nd Quarter	144	101	70.1	1,162	8.1	49	8	2	51	35.4	17	9	106.9
3rd Quarter	94	67	71.3	669	7.1	46	2	4	29	30.9	8	7	80.5
4th Quarter	115	84	73.0	863	7.5	36	4	1	53	46.1	11	6	102.2
4th Quarter within 7	52	35	67.3	385	7.4	32	2	0	23	44.2	7	2	101.8

 

 Fitzgeralds numbers don’t add up somethings wrong.

look at the QB rating.

[NCOUGHMAN]

2 hours ago, Geezy said:

You guys kill me, we lose it’s Carr’s fault, we win it’s coaching and Jacobs. Where is the coaching and co. when we lose?

I just want just one of you Carr haters to show me how we can legit upgrade the QB position. Teddy B, Fitzpatrick, Jordan Love ain’t upgrades(I’ve asked this question for about a month)...

we’ve seen a 3-4 win improvement with a very flawed roster, vs a tough schedule while losing our best player just a couple days before the season and y’all act like Carr got us at 0-15...

someone pull up the 2019 Prediction Thread so all you experts can see how you felt about this talented roster before the season. 

Did you listen to gruden post game presser where he said “we made it a point to get the wrs involved “.

sounds like carr was forced to target wrs. Coaches can’t play or force carr to throw to wrs. Or forced dbs to tackle.

i give carr props he looked nice on Sunday and actually threw to wrs. Basically won us the game. He executed very well 

Even did the Gannon bootleg for a td and didn’t fumble 

cant ignore the coaches basically bringing in guys off the street and getting them ready to play ASAP. I don’t even know who our starting dbs are

 

[Geezy]

14 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Did you listen to gruden post game presser where he said “we made it a point to get the wrs involved “.

sounds like carr was forced to target wrs. Coaches can’t play or force carr to throw to wrs. Or forced dbs to tackle.

i give carr props he looked nice on Sunday and actually threw to wrs. Basically won us the game. He executed very well 

Even did the Gannon bootleg for a td and didn’t fumble 

cant ignore the coaches basically bringing in guys off the street and getting them ready to play ASAP. I don’t even know who our starting dbs are

 

It was a group W, defense played well, offense played well, coaches had a nice game plan. There’s nothing wrong with giving the squad props.