MrOaktown_56 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, raidr4life said: I really don't know what QB you been watching. The big differences you're looking for between 2016 and 2018: Cooper and Crab were a serious threat back in 16. One of the best WR duos for sure, outside of drops. Carr had a lot of trust in both and it was more of a spread out offense with more deep shots. The defense forced a TON of turnovers. We played a super weak SOS compared to this year. The throws look different because a lot of it is by design. He's completing a high % of passes by design. This is a west coast offense with less spread concepts and more plays under center, with a fullback, 11 personnel, etc. etc. You think DC hasn't made strides from 17/18 to now? Care to explain or elaborate? Edited December 26, 2019 by MrOaktown_56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 13 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Our CEILING? We are a middle of the pack team right now. Let's not get mired in hyperbole. You don't think this team will win more games when we add more talent in the offseason? It's his 2nd year in the same offense and he's having a career year statistically. Last time he had 2 years in the same offense was in 2016. Personally, I think he'll take another step forward next year in his 3rd year in the scheme, as he builds more chemistry and trust with the current offensive players and we add another talented receiver. He's not perfect though and I myself have not been pleased with his performance in some key games, mainly the 2 KC games. Right now, I believe some continuity would be the best thing for this team. It's not an indefensible opinion though. And I would like to see if he plays better/worse in the playoffs, considering we haven't seen him do it to this point. You’re right people forget Carr is only 28. Which is extremely young for a QB. To say that he’s done and can’t improve is naïve 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Time to move on from Carr. He's obviously trash SMH He has lead this garbage team to a near playoff birth with quite possibly one of the worst overall rosters in the NFL. Below average WR corp, zero pass rush and a bottom 3 overall D and you homers want to blame it on Carr. You guys are beyond clueless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 21 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Time to move on from Carr. He's obviously trash SMH He has lead this garbage team to a near playoff birth with quite possibly one of the worst overall rosters in the NFL. Below average WR corp, zero pass rush and a bottom 3 overall D and you homers want to blame it on Carr. You guys are beyond clueless. 100 rating but QBing a team averaging 2.1 points per game in the 2nd half of the last 6 games, if you exclude the super garbage time 9 points we up against KC. Back to back seasons we are the worst team scoring after halftime. But yeah, keep bringing up the defense. Keep crapping on every other player to prop up DC, it's what you do best. Also, do you know what a homer means? You might be using that word incorrectly. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said: 100 rating but QBing a team averaging 2.1 points per game in the 2nd half of the last 6 games, if you exclude the super garbage time 9 points we up against KC. Back to back seasons we are the worst team scoring after halftime. But yeah, keep bringing up the defense. Keep crapping on every other player to prop up DC, it's what you do best. Also, do you know what a homer means? You might be using that word incorrectly. Carr has lead one of the worst overall rosters in the NFL to a potential playoff birth all while playing one of the more difficult schedules... You want to cherry pick 2nd half stats (where I assume the Raiders have been trailing in most games) cold weather stats blah, blah. Look the the big picture instead of cherrypicking categories to fit your ridiculous narrative. Carr will be our QB next season it. You guys can bank on that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Bitty 2.0 said: You’re right people forget Carr is only 28. Which is extremely young for a QB. To say that he’s done and can’t improve is naïve Extremely young for a QB is Lamar Jackson at 22. Can he get better sure, but at the moment what he's given us at the price tag isn't warranted to unquestionably give him the starting nod next season. Based on what rival teams QBs do for their teams, we can get better play at QB which would be more wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 47 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Carr has lead one of the worst overall rosters in the NFL to a potential playoff birth all while playing one of the more difficult schedules... You want to cherry pick 2nd half stats (where I assume the Raiders have been trailing in most games) cold weather stats blah, blah. Look the the big picture instead of cherrypicking categories to fit your ridiculous narrative. Carr will be our QB next season it. You guys can bank on that! 6 pro bowlers on offense is not considered one of the worst rosters in the NFL. We have a better O-line than 25 teams in the NFL if not more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Time to move on from Carr. He's obviously trash SMH He has lead this garbage team to a near playoff birth with quite possibly one of the worst overall rosters in the NFL. Below average WR corp, zero pass rush and a bottom 3 overall D and you homers want to blame it on Carr. You guys are beyond clueless. These guys just don’t like Carr to ignore all the variables and liabilities on this team. They want to scapegoat Carr and hate him for whatever reason. Can’t talk logic into those guys Edited December 26, 2019 by Humble_Beast 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, bucksavage1 said: Extremely young for a QB is Lamar Jackson at 22. Can he get better sure, but at the moment what he's given us at the price tag isn't warranted to unquestionably give him the starting nod next season. Based on what rival teams QBs do for their teams, we can get better play at QB which would be more wins Carr is a bargain, the new QB contracts will be 30+ million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Humble_Beast said: These guys just don’t like Carr to ignore all the variables and liabilities on this team. They want to scapegoat Carr and hate him for whatever reason. Can’t talk logic into those guys Say's the most logical dude on the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 3 hours ago, bucksavage1 said: 6 pro bowlers on offense is not considered one of the worst rosters in the NFL. We have a better O-line than 25 teams in the NFL if not more Why do you keep saying six pro bowlers? The only ones that got voted on the team where Trent Brown and Hudson. The rest are alternates. The team that actually has 6 is the Ravens or the team that’s got the number 1 seed in the AFC. I mean it helps your narrative to say that Carr is holding the team back because of the abundance of talent on the roster but the truth is the Raiders only have 2 exceptionally good players on offense. Sure the Raiders have a great offensive line but that’s not going to make the WRs catch balls or keep the scrub RBs from fumbling the ball at the worst times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 9 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Carr has lead one of the worst overall rosters in the NFL to a potential playoff birth all while playing one of the more difficult schedules... If anybody has "led" us to anything this year, it's been our best and most consistent offensive player, Josh Jacobs doing the leading. Quote You want to cherry pick 2nd half stats (where I assume the Raiders have been trailing in most games) cold weather stats blah, blah. Look the the big picture instead of cherrypicking categories to fit your ridiculous narrative. Cherry picking lol. Literally we have been the worst team at scoring after halftime the last two years. That's not Cherry picking that's a big sample size. It's a trend. Aka once Carr runs out of scripted Gruden plays to run, he fails to generate much from the offense. But yeah, tell us why it's the defenses fault. Quote Carr will be our QB next season it. You guys can bank on that! If he's on another team next year, will you follow along with him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 6 hours ago, Chali21 said: Why do you keep saying six pro bowlers? The only ones that got voted on the team where Trent Brown and Hudson. The rest are alternates. The team that actually has 6 is the Ravens or the team that’s got the number 1 seed in the AFC. I mean it helps your narrative to say that Carr is holding the team back because of the abundance of talent on the roster but the truth is the Raiders only have 2 exceptionally good players on offense. Sure the Raiders have a great offensive line but that’s not going to make the WRs catch balls or keep the scrub RBs from fumbling the ball at the worst times. I'd say Jacobs and Waller have been "exceptionally" good players this season as well. And they should have made the pro bowl. There is some very good talent on offense but the WRs are nothing more than average when healthy. That will limit what an offense can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 AFC West Next Season: KC - Mahomes DEN - Lock LAC - Brady LV - Rivers We'll draft Jordan Love and possibly another 2nd-3rd Rounder in 2021. Rivers > Carr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justwinning Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Just now, BayRaider said: AFC West Next Season: KC - Mahomes DEN - Lock LAC - Brady LV - Rivers We'll draft Jordan Love and possibly another 2nd-3rd Rounder in 2021. Rivers > Carr Cmon man. Rivers at this stage is not better than Carr. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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