2020 NFL Draft Discussion

[spilltray]

35 minutes ago, Redt said:

Tyreek Hill 5' 10" 185lbs

And in the 5th round it's well worth the gamble. In the first, not so much.

[craig]

I think the concept of somebody quick, shifty, fast, and coordinated would be quite desirable and useful.  

MVS is straight-line fast, but uncoordinated and doesn't have quick, shifty change-of-direction.  ESB was a popular guy on the board, with good speed relative to his height.  But he wasn't actually fast, and his change-of-direction shiftiness seemed really lacking to me.  Easy to cover for NFL corners, dependent on his size/height/hands catching contested balls, but not really a guy likely to juke his way open, or to be electric in the open field.  

So I'd enjoy somebody quick and shifty in open space, and a guy who could stop and go and cut and make it hard for defenders to mirror him. 

Kind of like Aaron Jones.  We've forever wanted/accumulated big/strong backs who couldn't stop-and-go or shift or do stuff with suddenness.  Having a shorter guy with some moves and who can improvise has been transformative.   Adding a receiver with moves would be great.  

[DWhitehurst]

As for WR's, I keep thinking we need to find one whom Rodgers will accept sooner rather than later--a WR who is smart, route reliable and route savvy. For sure, sufficient athletic ability, speed, and hands, but route running is essential or else Rodgers won't throw to him. We don't need a project coming in with limited route tree experience no matter how much of an athletic specimen they may be. We need an early contributor who can become a #3 WR quickly and eventually a #2.

Edited January 18, 2020 by DWhitehurst

[Ripline]

Any interest in Moss's kid Thaddeus?? He declared for the draft.

[HighCalebR]

37 minutes ago, Ripline said:

Any interest in Moss's kid Thaddeus?? He declared for the draft.

TE's are gonna be tough to hit value on in this one.

[GFLikes@DBakh69]

With Rodgers’ window in mind, and how bad of an idea it is to count on a rookie WR for production, especially with Rodgers, this may be the year to do something unconventional, like Emmanuel Sanders on a 1 year and the receiver we want round 2.  From what I’m reading Tyler Johnson and KJ Hill are polished enough to contribute early, but Hamler could be that Tyreke Hill homerun swing.

[beekay414]

DPJ and Cephus will be the steals of this draft. 

I'd kill to land one of them in the 3rd/4th. DPJ especially.

[Golfman]

11 hours ago, Ripline said:

Any interest in Moss's kid Thaddeus?? He declared for the draft.

Yes! No idea where he is projected, but he doesn't look like 1st round material to me. I'm thinking I'd be interested in late 2 to early 3 on him. It's going to be interesting to see what his 40 time is going to be at the combine. I don't see a + athlete in him. 

Edited January 18, 2020 by Golfman

[Packerraymond]

14 hours ago, spilltray said:

And in the 5th round it's well worth the gamble. In the first, not so much.

Rodgers throws to receivers who gain separation. Height is rarely relevant for him. How often does he use Graham's?? If you separate and give him spots to throw the ball, you'll be productive here. Height should not be a consideration unless you have two equally graded receivers.

[Scoremore]

3 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

Rodgers throws to receivers who gain separation. Height is rarely relevant for him. How often does he use Graham's?? If you separate and give him spots to throw the ball, you'll be productive here. Height should not be a consideration unless you have two equally graded receivers.

Larger catch radius.  Agree to a certain extent but not 5'9".  Too short.  5'11" cut off.  Also not a guy who is only 176 lbs.  He won't do you any good if he's not on the field because he is injured.  Whatever guess we'll just have to disagree.  

[DWhitehurst]

4 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

Rodgers throws to receivers who gain separation. Height is rarely relevant for him. How often does he use Graham's?? If you separate and give him spots to throw the ball, you'll be productive here. Height should not be a consideration unless you have two equally graded receivers.

I would've thought most QB's tend to usually throw to receivers who gain separation. Granted, there are anomalies like Favre with arm cannons that disregard that, arguably more than they should (though it was sure amazing when Favre inexplicably threaded the needle, somehow getting it in there...remember those plays?!).

I think weight/build more than height might be the concern with slot wr prospects like 5'9 K J Hamler as it pertains to durability. He can certainly get open in the middle, but in the process can his 178pnd build take the pounding? Reagor is like 5'10.5, but a much more solid build, closer to 200pnds. Granted, even he may be pensive across the middle. 

The ideal Packers WR is Jerry Jeudy due to his excellent route running skills, but of course that's partially why he is the #1 rated WR prospect and the Packers don't have the chips to move up and get him even if they wanted to. But some lesser rated prospect coming closest to that ideal is what I think they need. 

[AlexGreen#20]

19 hours ago, spilltray said:

And in the 5th round it's well worth the gamble. In the first, not so much.

Tyreek Hill's physical ability had nothing to do with his draft stock. You had to be down with a player who beat his pregnant girlfriend. 

[spilltray]

How high do you think he'd have been otherwise? I still don't like it before maybe the very late 2nd.

[Nick_gb]

34 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Tyreek Hill's physical ability had nothing to do with his draft stock. You had to be down with a player who beat his pregnant girlfriend. 

Exactly this. Tyreek was widely considered a highly talented player in the draft. It was his character that caused him to drop, NOT his size. 

[AlexGreen#20]

1 hour ago, spilltray said:

How high do you think he'd have been otherwise? I still don't like it before maybe the very late 2nd.

Extremely difficult to tell. The thing about Hill was that football was never really his first priority. It was his second sport in high school behind track. 

His senior year of highschool was all about making the World Junior National Championships. He ended up with a bronze in the 200m and a gold in the 4x100 relay in Barcelona. But he basically didn't show up to class. Combine horrible grades with horrible standardized test scores and not even Georgia could get him on campus.

So he goes to Garden City Community College. And he plays really well, but it's hard to put a grade on a guy at the JUCO level. So he does his two years in Kansas and gets back on the recruiting trail.

In February he signs his LOI to go to OK State. He has a really good year where he was on display in all facets, but was never really the bellcow at any position. December 12th, he losses his damn mind and beats the hell out of his pregnant girlfriend.

He gets kicked off OK State and ends up at Western Alabama where he just doesn't give a **** about lower tier football, and doesn't do much to stand out. He just mentally wasn't right and it shows.

+++

So the NFL really got to see him for one year in Power 5 football. It was a good not great year, and that year ends with him beating the **** out of his pregnant girlfriend and then sleep walking through another season in the lower ranks. 

Had Hill done his thing and gone immediately to OK State where he spent his first year as a return specialist and then his next two years as the stud all purpose guy that he is, and hadn't gotten in any legal trouble, I don't think there's any reason to believe he couldn't have been a late 1st - late 2nd round pick. 

****, Tavon Austin got drafted 8th

Edited January 18, 2020 by AlexGreen#20