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[StLunatic88]

17 hours ago, Jeezla said:

I like Ethan and Eddie, but that was not a crisp match. Eddie really should start taking better care of his body and try to improve his physique. He really does look like a jobber. Needs to hit the gym and get new ring gear.

You’re not wrong, I don’t think he will ever have the elite physique, but needs to be better than this. 

Like 6 months ago, I thought he was on the short list of who should be in like for the AEW title.  Oh he’s just spinning his wheels

 

 

So glad we are splitting up “WarJoe” it was dumb. But this also seems pretty dumb. One or two cutting off of Joe and he hits him with the belt? TKs judgement of this stuff hasn’t been good in a while. I think this is a good story to tell, but the pacing is off from the jump

The Britt/Saraya show down was good enough. Saraya is alittle rusty, but they are giving this the attention that it should. But unfortunately they are doing it at the expense of Hayter’s showdown with Storm. Seems like they can’t hold more than one string for the womens division at one time.

 

I said last week, I like getting JJ in there, gives some direction to Lethal & Co, but so far I’m not interested in what he’s selling me, doesn’t help that it’s against air (no Sting to be seen). Also, stop telling me Satnam is a monster, SHOW me something… anything…

Edited November 10, 2022 by StLunatic88

[Jeezla]

58 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said:

You’re not wrong, I don’t think he will ever have the elite physique, but needs to be better than this. 

Like 6 months ago, I thought he was on the short list of who should be in like for the AEW title.  Oh he’s just spinning his wheels

It's not just the physique though, his ring attire sucks. There's a handsome/marketable dude underneath that trash ring gear and sloppy body. He could have everything you need to be a star if the visual of Eddie Kingston himself from the neck down didn't scream Modern Day Brooklyn Brawler, and now his matches are starting to get sloppy too, and Eddie was never putting on a 5 star to begin with. You can't have a less muscular Kevin Owens body inside of a Big 5 Sporting Goods clearance rack outfit, and be putting on these 2 star matches.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Jeezla

[Jeezla]

On the flip side, MJF looks like he's in the best shape of his life, or at the least the best shape I've ever seen him in. He used that suspension time off wisely.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Jeezla

[StLunatic88]

15 minutes ago, Jeezla said:

It's not just the physique though, his ring attire sucks. There's a handsome/marketable dude underneath that trash ring gear and sloppy body. He could have everything you need to be a star if the visual of Eddie Kingston himself from the neck down didn't scream Modern Day Brooklyn Brawler, and now his matches are starting to get sloppy too, and Eddie was never putting on a 5 star to begin with. You can't have a less muscular Kevin Owens body inside of a Big 5 Sporting Goods clearance rack outfit, and be putting on these 2 star matches.

I see what you are saying, but he has had that ring gear forever, and many (myself included) thought he had what it took to be a ME level/Title Holder.

Now you definitely cant have both and underwhelming body and CAW level attire. I think thats what we are starting to run into here

[Jeezla]

28 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said:

I see what you are saying, but he has had that ring gear forever, and many (myself included) thought he had what it took to be a ME level/Title Holder.

Now you definitely cant have both and underwhelming body and CAW level attire. I think thats what we are starting to run into here

Enough is enough and it's time for a change!

My hope is that 1 year from now, Eddie is calling other people fat while he himself looks no fatter than Brody King. Ideally while wearing new ring gear.

I want him to change the narrative that he does look like a jobber, and maybe refresh the character a bit.
Stop making it easy for guys like Jericho and CM Punk to trash him on the mic.
Loose 20 lbs of fat, gain 10 lbs of muscle, grow a Jim Neidhart goatee, and get escorted to the ring by a hot chick on roller blades. And get permission from Phil Anselmo to use Walk by Pantera as his entrance music.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Jeezla

[iknowcool]

Roman Reigns has rekindled my love for the WWE.  Easily my favorite guy right now, all of the Bloodline really has been amazing.  Big big fan of Bianca too.

[bigbadbuff]

6 hours ago, iknowcool said:

Roman Reigns has rekindled my love for the WWE.  Easily my favorite guy right now, all of the Bloodline really has been amazing.  Big big fan of Bianca too.

Bloodline- Awesome

Bianca- Not that awesome

 

 

[StLunatic88]

11 hours ago, bigbadbuff said:

Bloodline- Awesome

Bianca- Not that awesome

What we are getting from Bianca, is what tells me the specter of Vince still roams the WWE hallways. I just hope its from the old guard still employed, and not something that has seeped into Hunter himself

Im not going to be out here banging the drum for a heel turn or anything at this point, but the fact that they cant pull the trigger on dropping the title to Bailey is concerning.

[iknowcool]

I get why some might not find her that fun to watch currently.  She definitely needs some freshening up, character-wise.  But I won't hold that against her.  Still extremely talented and her last 2 WrestleMania matches were both terrific.  Also keep in mind I don't watch the weekly shows (although I have watched the last 3 SmackDowns in a row, which is the most I've done in like 10 years lol), so I'm only exposed to her on PPVs.  So that's probably why I don't find her as stale as others.  But I've always kept up with the product, so I'm aware she doesn't take many Ls.

[StLunatic88]

18 hours ago, iknowcool said:

I get why some might not find her that fun to watch currently.  She definitely needs some freshening up, character-wise.  But I won't hold that against her.  Still extremely talented and her last 2 WrestleMania matches were both terrific.  Also keep in mind I don't watch the weekly shows (although I have watched the last 3 SmackDowns in a row, which is the most I've done in like 10 years lol), so I'm only exposed to her on PPVs.  So that's probably why I don't find her as stale as others.  But I've always kept up with the product, so I'm aware she doesn't take many Ls.

There is a reason shes being referred to Jane Cena, its a complement and a criticism all in one.

[StLunatic88]

Its a damn shame if the Kevin Owens injury is as bad as feared (sprained MCL I think was the report) as that knocks him out likely the rest of 2022, but for sure out for War Games, it seemed he was being set up as the final reveal to join the Brutes/Drew, their outsider to Sami with the Bloodline

They could add any babyface at this point to fill it out, but it wont likely have the same impact that Owens would have to plant the first seeds of decent amongst them.

Could be Seth, could be Gargano, maybe even Ricochet. I guess if you have the Bloodline "hurt" one of the New Day, the other could become the final member. Its just not going to hit the same, Unless . . . . . You hit fast forward on the Cody Rhodes program

[Dr LBC]

On 11/10/2022 at 11:29 AM, StLunatic88 said:

You’re not wrong, I don’t think he will ever have the elite physique, but needs to be better than this. 

Like 6 months ago, I thought he was on the short list of who should be in like for the AEW title.  Oh he’s just spinning his wheels

 

 

So glad we are splitting up “WarJoe” it was dumb. But this also seems pretty dumb. One or two cutting off of Joe and he hits him with the belt? TKs judgement of this stuff hasn’t been good in a while. I think this is a good story to tell, but the pacing is off from the jump

The Britt/Saraya show down was good enough. Saraya is alittle rusty, but they are giving this the attention that it should. But unfortunately they are doing it at the expense of Hayter’s showdown with Storm. Seems like they can’t hold more than one string for the womens division at one time.

 

I said last week, I like getting JJ in there, gives some direction to Lethal & Co, but so far I’m not interested in what he’s selling me, doesn’t help that it’s against air (no Sting to be seen). Also, stop telling me Satnam is a monster, SHOW me something… anything…

I think Eddie actually was... and then the politic-ing guys in the back, once they realized that, started doing what they do best and making sure that certain guys don't get on or near their level because they're a threat to "their spot" potentially.  I'm not kidding when I say that this is late 2000's WCW all over again, just some of they guys aren't as young now as the backstage powerbrokers were back then (though they're really not all that far off).  Now this could be total conspiracy theory stuff, I'll admit, but it's pretty well documented that no one has come out of a feud with Jericho in an improved situation from where they went in - some managed to rebuild their strata (MJF being most prominent), but Jericho has been, by and large, a push leech who latches onto the hot thing and ends up largely draining it.  Eddie was no different.  And I don't necessarily see it as great coincidence that at a time when he was feuding with an everyman-type who is known for his lack of physique that Chris made a point to get in the best, visually, shape he's been in in more than 10 years.  Or that then one of the guys Chris has been running with since pretty much Day 1, starts taking promo shots at Eddie's physique.  It's subtle stuff, but as much as smart marks want to convince themselves they're not still marks and that they're not susceptible to subversion - everyone is.

As for WarJoe, did I love the team to begin with?  No.  But Tony is having AEW get more turn-happy than a year in the career of the Big Show.   And I'm not sorry, but this is why I was calling out the people who said, it was fine that faces and heels didn't really matter - because it does matter to logical storytelling, you need protagonists and antagonists.  And, I'd definitely need to go back and look to feel totally confident in this take, but it feels like Tony's recycling the same trope every time AEW approaches another PPV: Breakup a tag team, framing one guy as having potential for a strong heel run coming off the PPV, and then that guy just gets lost in the jumble of all the other guys that he did that with recently because none of them feel special since they all got to the position their in the same way.

They have guys backstage (because they're on the damn roster) who know all this and know the proper (and by that I don't mean, paint-by-numbers, cookie-cutter way, but they also know that doing riffs on a classic that works are fine, especially for lower and mid-card stories).  And all the while, they've got FTR floundering as throw-ins for a multi-man tags and no a feud with Billy's boys (I guess that's still going on), despite them giving high quality promo work and character range.  And, hate to say it Tony, but you better be paying attention to when those contracts are up almost as much as Max's, because I could very much see them going back to Papa H - at which point you'd lose the best tag team in the world (at this point, sorry, Bucks - Dax and Cash have solidified their case), boosting your competition massively, and I'd wager you'd see a WM return pop that would rival, if not outdo, the one the Hardys got when they came back, whenever it were to happen.

[StLunatic88]

25 minutes ago, Dr LBC said:

I think Eddie actually was... and then the politic-ing guys in the back, once they realized that, started doing what they do best and making sure that certain guys don't get on or near their level because they're a threat to "their spot" potentially. 

I agree with everything you are saying here, but I will throw out there, I feel like Eddie deserves atleast a bit of the blame on a few self inflicted wounds

 

It was for sure turning into 2000's WCW in the back. I am hoping that the Brawl brought enough of that to light, and it turns out to be the best thing that happened to the company. But we all know it might just be a small break, and slowly creeping back in very soon.

I think the "roster split" to becoming AEW and ROH might help as well. You would then have a real avenue to split guys up if needed.

[Dr LBC]

21 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said:

I agree with everything you are saying here, but I will throw out there, I feel like Eddie deserves atleast a bit of the blame on a few self inflicted wounds

Oh, I think Eddie definitely shoulders some blame as well, though - at least by my read on him - he's a loyal, company guy; he's going to do by and large what he's asked.  And that last bit is where I feel like some of Eddie's blame still blows back on TK because he wants to be everyone's friend.  Should Eddie keep himself in better shape, absolutely.  Should the promoter encourage Eddie to get in better shape if that's what he wants (or even simply what's for the best of the talent), again absolutely.  Eddie's been a victim of going along a bit too much, but even if he went to Tony to complain about it, Tony was going to side with Jericho.

Also, previous (outside of promotion) history or not, Tony should have had the insight (or balls) to tell Eddie, "No," on the Ishii match - and to be truly fair, I feel like ultimately the buck stops with the promoter/booker for overexposing Eddie, which didn't allow some of his best talents (mic work and getting audiences invested in his stories) to shine.

Where I do feel like Eddie bears the biggest brunt of responsibility is less in terms of his physical appearance and more in terms of his physical shape - there have been plenty of chonky boys littered through wrestling history who had the conditioning to go at least 30-minute Broadways.  I mean, hell, Ace Romero appears to be in worse physical shape than Eddie, but I've watched Ace work 15 minutes at breakneck pace and if he was blown up you could have fooled me.

[bcb1213]

23 hours ago, StLunatic88 said:

Its a damn shame if the Kevin Owens injury is as bad as feared (sprained MCL I think was the report) as that knocks him out likely the rest of 2022, but for sure out for War Games, it seemed he was being set up as the final reveal to join the Brutes/Drew, their outsider to Sami with the Bloodline

They could add any babyface at this point to fill it out, but it wont likely have the same impact that Owens would have to plant the first seeds of decent amongst them.

Could be Seth, could be Gargano, maybe even Ricochet. I guess if you have the Bloodline "hurt" one of the New Day, the other could become the final member. Its just not going to hit the same, Unless . . . . . You hit fast forward on the Cody Rhodes program

It'll prob be riddle. He doesn't seem to have much of a storyline at the moment