The "If Gamestop was open I'd buy Madden right now" Post-Game Commiseration Extravaganza with lots of cursing at Aaron Idiot Rodgers who Screwed us from the very beginning and kept on screwing us because he can't ever throw an interception God forbid he

[Green19]

I’m crazy disappointed in the defense seemingly regressing as the season goes on.

Also... I get Adams is back but why are we ignore Jones again? He has 2 games with 3 or more tds.

This team is soooo confusing.

[Leader]

Just now, squire12 said:

I think that is his way of saying part of the results are on him.   The game plan, the preparation was not good enough.

Correct. It's somewhat standard "coachspeak" to both accept some blame but (more likely IMO) shield / absolve the players and not throw them under the bus publicly. 

[Green19]

2 minutes ago, Sasquatch said:

Kinda, yeah.  What I wonder more is will MLF get over his sub-servitude attitude towards his mentors and be his own man, instead of standing in their damn shadow?  He might need time to grow into his role, and to get past this admiration thing.  He can respect these guys all he wants, but at some point he needs to grow an attitude of "I will be better than them at my job."  He needs time, which is not exactly what this team needs right now.

To be fair... did anyone think Gb would be in the position of top 3 teams in the conference at the being of the year? Winning changes expectations quickly... I think everyone was going to give him time... until it was like “oh we are one of the better teams, we need to win a super bowl!!!!”

Edited November 25, 2019 by Green19

[squire12]

For those who care.  @Outpost31

Based on the current play from Rodgers, I am not seeing him playing in GB with that 2022 cap hit of $37M

Think we might have 2 more years, so looking for the successor should be approaching here soon.

 

				BONUS BREAKDOWN			CAP DETAILS		CASH DETAILS
YEAR		AGE	BASE SALARY	SIGNING	ROSTER	WORKOUT	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2018		34	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$7,800,000	$500,000	$20,900,000	$80,300,000	$66,900,000($66,900,000)
2019		35	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$13,400,000	$500,000	$26,500,000	$59,900,000	$15,000,000($81,900,000)
2020		36	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$19,500,000	$500,000	$32,600,000	$53,700,000	$21,100,000($103,000,000)
2021		37	$14,700,000	$11,500,000	$6,800,000	$500,000	$33,500,000	$23,000,000	$22,000,000($125,000,000)
POTENTIAL OUT: 2022, 4 YR, $125,000,000; $11,500,000 DEAD CAP
2022		38	$25,000,000	$11,500,000	-	$500,000	$37,000,000	$11,500,000	$25,500,000($150,500,000)
2023		39	$25,000,000	-	-	$500,000	$25,500,000	-	$25,500,000($176,000,000)
2024		40	UFA

[Sasquatch]

Just now, Green19 said:

To be far... did anyone think Gb would be in the position of top 3 teams in the conference at the being of the year? Winning changes expectations quickly... I think everyone was going to give him time... until it was like “oh we are one of the better teams, we need to win a super bowl!!!!”

All of this is true.  I'm just responding to his comments at the presser, and his seemingly little boy crush of Shanahan and McVay.  He needs to acknowledge their role in his life and evolve, grow, and mature - which I'm sure he will - but that takes time - something we don't have a lot of actually.

[Golfman]

1 minute ago, squire12 said:

For those who care.  @Outpost31

Based on the current play from Rodgers, I am not seeing him playing in GB with that 2022 cap hit of $37M

Think we might have 2 more years, so looking for the successor should be approaching here soon.

 

				BONUS BREAKDOWN			CAP DETAILS		CASH DETAILS
YEAR		AGE	BASE SALARY	SIGNING	ROSTER	WORKOUT	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2018		34	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$7,800,000	$500,000	$20,900,000	$80,300,000	$66,900,000($66,900,000)
2019		35	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$13,400,000	$500,000	$26,500,000	$59,900,000	$15,000,000($81,900,000)
2020		36	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$19,500,000	$500,000	$32,600,000	$53,700,000	$21,100,000($103,000,000)
2021		37	$14,700,000	$11,500,000	$6,800,000	$500,000	$33,500,000	$23,000,000	$22,000,000($125,000,000)
POTENTIAL OUT: 2022, 4 YR, $125,000,000; $11,500,000 DEAD CAP
2022		38	$25,000,000	$11,500,000	-	$500,000	$37,000,000	$11,500,000	$25,500,000($150,500,000)
2023		39	$25,000,000	-	-	$500,000	$25,500,000	-	$25,500,000($176,000,000)
2024		40	UFA

Heck, we only have 10 more years on the planet after that. Is that enough time to get another QB before everything is either flooded or on fire? I'm concerned! 

[Golfman]

Is there a worse kick/punt returner in the league than Smith? 

[HighCalebR]

Just now, Golfman said:

Is there a worse kick/punt returner in the league than Smith? 

I don't even think it's necessarily Smith, he's had success elsewhere. I wouldn't categorize him as good but I don't think anyone is going to succeed under Mennenga. We should be able to fall forward into positive return yardage, I'd say there's some poor coaching going on here.

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

12 minutes ago, squire12 said:

I think that is his way of saying part of the results are on him.   The game plan, the preparation was not good enough.

Debatable whether stating that GB was out coached is  a better look than 

"going to work on pad level"

"going to get that cleared up"

" need to focus on the fundamentals"

"need to stack success"

He's damned if he says they were out coached, he's damned if he doesn't say it.  He just has to choose which way he wants it.

Unhappy fans want to criticize.  That is just the way it is.

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

15 minutes ago, Green19 said:

I’m crazy disappointed in the defense seemingly regressing as the season goes on.

Also... I get Adams is back but why are we ignore Jones again? He has 2 games with 3 or more tds.

This team is soooo confusing.

Are we ignoring Jones, or is the defense taking him away?

At this point, if any team not tanking is putting in a game plan accounts for him.

[HighCalebR]

Sometimes I wish I didn't remember super Rodgers existing. That'd make being terrible so much easier.

[skibrett15]

12 hours ago, MrBobGray said:

The problem is people have been saying this about Rodgers after nearly every marquee game of the last three seasons.  When was the last time Rodgers played well in a high profile match-up against a good defense?

probably Dallas playoff game.  That wasn't a good defense per se, but that was a really high profile game against a very competent defense.

[skibrett15]

It used to be that teams were afraid to actually play the run, so mediocre to really poor RBs and mediocre to poor run blocking could result in decent games.

Teams now play the run, and the packers do not make them pay whatsoever.

 

This one got away from them really really quickly, but there needs to be way more counter-punches to the running attack which is what led this team to 8 wins in the first place (outside of that one Rodgers game).

Rodgers not trusting Graham or Allison or anyone over the middle is a huge issue.  That's how you get defenses back to playing the packers honest - right now it seems they want to stuff the run and are giving up the intermediate-deep middle of the field on running downs.

[AlexGreen#20]

1 minute ago, skibrett15 said:

It used to be that teams were afraid to actually play the run, so mediocre to really poor RBs and mediocre to poor run blocking could result in decent games.

Teams now play the run, and the packers do not make them pay whatsoever.

 

This one got away from them really really quickly, but there needs to be way more counter-punches to the running attack which is what led this team to 8 wins in the first place (outside of that one Rodgers game).

Rodgers not trusting Graham or Allison or anyone over the middle is a huge issue.  That's how you get defenses back to playing the packers honest - right now it seems they want to stuff the run and are giving up the intermediate-deep middle of the field on running downs.

Play action team that doesn't throw over the middle when they bait the LBs up remains a bizarre *** concept to me.

[skibrett15]

Just now, AlexGreen#20 said:

Play action team that doesn't throw over the middle when they bait the LBs up remains a bizarre *** concept to me.

I mean, MLF used to love the deep dig route in Tennessee.  It's one of the main concepts they ran, but maybe that was because Mariota liked the concept.

Seems like a Rodgers thing to me.

When finley used to run the slant/flat with jennings et al, every once in a while he would run that angle route and come back for a quick hitter moving up the field rather than across it.  I haven't seen rodgers attempt that throw in a long time.