2021 NFL Draft Thread

[turtle28]

13 minutes ago, MikeT14 said:

I would limit that to a team that is a QB away on a small window - that could be us, but I don't think so. Maybe the Colts again if Rivers retires, the Raiders could try it, the Pats could give another go, the Niners are a popular pick to try, and the Bears.

I think we have a window of at least 5 years maybe 10-15 if Young plays that long and I don’t see why he wouldn’t.

I don’t think our team is close to being completely built. We’re just in year one of a rebuild under Rivera. He hasn’t gotten his long term answer at MLB yet, at FS yet, at QB yet, at LT yet and complementary WRs to Terry.

There’s a lot of work left to do with the Washington roster. Most of the team he just won the division with is Bruce Allen/Jay Gruden guys.

Edited January 4, 2021 by turtle28

[ripsean21]

4 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

I don’t know, I think they get at least a first for Stafford and a 2nd but it wouldn’t shock me if they got more, he’s a top 10 QB. I’d put him above Dak as a QB but, it’s true that Dak is 5 years younger.

I go back to the Broncos getting two firsts for Cutler and Stafford has a better track record and isn’t a diva/malcontent like Cutler was of course Cutler was younger than Stafford currently is when he forced a trade our of Denver but still, Stafford is the best QB of the bunch here. 
 

I would want Stafford if he was a free agent, but it’s the giving up picks for him which makes me say no.

We just don’t have the resources around that type of commitment to give Stafford a real shot to get there with the cost Detroit would command. I’ve been saying this since watching him last year Lance is A Ron guy. I think when the wheels are done moving this offseason Trey Lance is w Washington football player. Honestly I think that’s the guy in this class as well he’s my guy.

[turtle28]

4 hours ago, ovfd55 said:

Bold call day after season ended,is Eagles trade Jalen Hurts almost impossible cap wise to move on from Carson at this point and you can't keep both so they trade Hurts for picks and try again next year with Carson

Carson wants out. He and Pederson did not get a long this year. I don’t know what the Eagles are going to do about it, they will probably have to trade Carson - mot get as big of a haul then they’d like - and have to pay a portion of his guaranteed $ to offload him but I don’t see how they keep Carson on the team. 
 

I don’t see how you have a QB like Carson kept as a back up?

I think it’s be foolish to trade Hurts. Hurts flashed and will only get better as he continues to work on his pocket passing in the next coming years.
 

I’m not really sure what Hurts’s ceiling is. I don’t think he can become the passer that Dak Prescott is for example but, they’re built a like. Thick lower bodies, very strong and physical runners. I think Hurts can become an average QB as far as passing, like in between 3500 & 4000 yards passing and around 25 TDs passing but he’ll always throw in a handful of rushing TDs too.

[ovfd55]

1 minute ago, turtle28 said:

Carson wants out. He and Pederson did not get a long this year. I don’t know what the Eagles are going to do about it, they will probably have to trade Carson - mot get as big of a haul then they’d like - and have to pay a portion of his guaranteed $ to offload him but I don’t see how they keep Carson on the team. 
 

I don’t see how you have a QB like Carson kept as a back up?

I think it’s be foolish to trade Hurts. Hurts flashed and will only get better as he continues to work on his pocket passing in the next coming years.
 

I’m not really sure what Hurts’s ceiling is. I don’t think he can become the passer that Dak Prescott is for example but, they’re built a like. Thick lower bodies, very strong and physical runners. I think Hurts can become an average QB as far as passing, like in between 3500 & 4000 yards passing and around 25 TDs passing but he’ll always throw in a handful of rushing TDs too.

The issue is it 34 mil dead cap space to trade 68 mil to cut him so they have 0 leverage trading Carson unless 2 teams get into a bidding war for him which I just don't see how you get anything for him with his deal and how he played this year.Colts and his old OC are you best bet,as Bears don't have Cap for him as with Hurts you might swing him for a 1st.

[turtle28]

19 minutes ago, ripsean21 said:

We just don’t have the resources around that type of commitment to give Stafford a real shot to get there with the cost Detroit would command. I’ve been saying this since watching him last year Lance is A Ron guy. I think when the wheels are done moving this offseason Trey Lance is w Washington football player. Honestly I think that’s the guy in this class as well he’s my guy.

I just can’t get into Lance. Just doesn’t do it for me. 

[turtle28]

39 minutes ago, ovfd55 said:

The issue is it 34 mil dead cap space to trade 68 mil to cut him so they have 0 leverage trading Carson unless 2 teams get into a bidding war for him which I just don't see how you get anything for him with his deal and how he played this year. Colts and his old OC are you best bet, as Bears don't have Cap for him as with Hurts you might swing him for a 1st.

I totally agree with what you’re saying and understand the cap ramifications, I just get the feeling it’s over for Wentz in Phila and both parties want to move on.

What Phila should do is fire Pederson but I doubt they do bc he won a Super Bowl 3 years ago and the reason they were so bad this year was mostly bc of injuries.

It’s definitely true that the Colts are the best bet. 
 

Personally I don’t think the Eagles front office has any plans of moving Jalen Hurts, I think that’s a non-starter for them. At worst, Hurts is a good back up on a rookie deal if Carson does stay and wins his job back next year. No need to move him.

It’s not like the problem is between Hurts & Wentz, it’s between Wentz & Pederson. 

Edited January 4, 2021 by turtle28

[turtle28]

59 minutes ago, LoganF89 said:

I’m 50/50 on Stafford.... he’s never won anything and he’s 32 and is most likely going to cost at least a 1st round pick. And we would have to cut smith or hope he retires for this to make sense...

but if we could get away with not having to trade a 1st I could possibly get on board with it. If we could some how trade our 2nd and 1 of our dlineman it may make sense to do so

Kenny Golladay put up some big numbers with Stafford as his QB. Maybe if we did get Stafford we could lure Golladay in FA which could pay off big

in other words let’s say we trade our 2nd rounder, time settle and maybe a conditional 5th that could be a 4th next year depending on playing time and accolades I would be ok with it

that trade, Smith retiring, and Golladay signing would be a major change in our offense. With how good our defense is you would have to think that team makes the playoffs 

That would be a nice team. I think we’d be more than “just a playoff team.” I think that team w/ that offensive firepower and our top 5 D would be a Super Bowl contender for as long as Stafford plays.

[ovfd55]

41 minutes ago, MikeT14 said:

I would limit that to a team that is a QB away on a small window - that could be us, but I don't think so. Maybe the Colts again if Rivers retires, the Raiders could try it, the Pats could give another go, the Niners are a popular pick to try, and the Bears.

I don't get people thinking we're not a QB away
We went 5-1 with ok not great play in games Alex started
We likely beat or at least push the 3 seed Seattle to the limit if anyone other then Haskins plays much less a top 10-15 QB

A Qb would make us competitive in my book and if you hit on the extra pieces around him such as another wr in FA or Draft a FS and LB and we could be contenders.

The Defense should be Top 5 again next year getting back Collins and Matt Iaondiss,and we get our #2 WR back in Kelvin Harmon,and young guys like Gibson Terry and company could see growth on offense.

[offbyone]

5 hours ago, ovfd55 said:

Bold call day after season ended,is Eagles trade Jalen Hurts almost impossible cap wise to move on from Carson at this point and you can't keep both so they trade Hurts for picks and try again next year with Carson

I assume this is a joke.  Hurts is clearly their future.

If you want a more realistic bold call around this, it is that Philly will pay someone else to take Wentz off their hands.  For instance, would you do a one way trade where Philly gives us their second round pick + Wentz for nothing?  

[ovfd55]

Just now, offbyone said:

I assume this is a joke.  Hurts is clearly their future.

If you want a more realistic bold call around this, it is that Philly will pay someone else to take Wentz off their hands.  For instance, would you do a one way trade where Philly gives us their second round pick + Wentz for nothing?  

Don't think then can afford to trade Wentz it is DEAD CAP of 34 mil on them which former GM and Cap specialist on Andrew Brandt says its impossible to get out of realistically before 2022,To trade Wentz they'd have to also fire sale other parts like Ertz or Olineman something just to get rid of Wentz

[lavar703]

5 minutes ago, offbyone said:

I assume this is a joke.  Hurts is clearly their future.

If you want a more realistic bold call around this, it is that Philly will pay someone else to take Wentz off their hands.  For instance, would you do a one way trade where Philly gives us their second round pick + Wentz for nothing?  

Clearly their future? He wasn’t that good and if they have a shot at Wilson or Fields I’d be willing to bet they pick one of them. 

[offbyone]

7 minutes ago, ovfd55 said:

Don't think then can afford to trade Wentz it is DEAD CAP of 34 mil on them which former GM and Cap specialist on Andrew Brandt says its impossible to get out of realistically before 2022,To trade Wentz they'd have to also fire sale other parts like Ertz or Olineman something just to get rid of Wentz

If that is the case, well, you might be right.  I would be curious to see the breakdown of what part they are on the hook for.  I don't think they gave him that big of a signing bonus.  

[offbyone]

6 minutes ago, lavar703 said:

Clearly their future? He wasn’t that good and if they have a shot at Wilson or Fields I’d be willing to bet they pick one of them. 

Hurts looked pretty competent to me.  He was beating up on our defense anyways.

[turtle28]

I think where we’re drafting that we likely aren’t going to be taking a QB unless we trade up some for Wilson or Lance. I think if we want one of them, they’re going to have to move up 5-10 spots. 

If we are staying put at 19, I think we’re looking at one of the FS prospects Moehrig or Paris Ford, WRs Rashod Bateman or Rondale Moore, LBs Owusu-Koramoah, Nick Bolton or Dylan Moses, or OL Leathwood, Wyatt Davis, Cosmi or Darrisaw

[ovfd55]

3 minutes ago, offbyone said:

If that is the case, well, you might be right.  I would be curious to see the breakdown of what part they are on the hook for.  I don't think they gave him that big of a signing bonus.  

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/carson-wentz-18950/#:~:text=Current Contract&text=In 2020%2C Wentz will earn,dead cap value of %2477%2C877%2C152.