abstract_thought Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) You can build around a QB who isn't on a rookie contract. The Saints have done it. The Patriots have done it. The Packers have done it. Basically you wait for the cap ceiling and the league average QB salary to rise and you try to hit consistently good draft classes to replenish the supporting cast. It's not impossible. The way the Rams and Eagles built their teams works too and can catch lightning in a bottle, but it's a bit dangerous. It can leave you in a position where you've paid a huge contract to your QB even though he isn't very good. Goff, Wentz, even Flacco are examples of this. As for Watson, you'd be trading away multiple drafts for him. You'd have to cut or trade key players just to make his contract fit under the cap. I don't think he wins a SB with what's left of the Bears roster. The best path forward is to draft any QB this year without giving up future picks. That gives you a chance to find a future QB but also gives you flexibility to tear-down and rebuild in 2022. Edited January 23, 2021 by abstract_thought 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Watson’ s 2021 cap hit is 10 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 9 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said: If Mitch would've worked out then you and everyone else is singing a different tune. The only time we tried to build around a QB while he was still under his rookie contract we were close to being a SB contender. But now since that ONE TIME didn't work out your ready to abandon the current modern philosophy that has worked for so many other teams just because Grossman didn't worked out 15 years ago when rookies were getting paid like stars right out the gate, and are willing to give up 3 YEARS of first round picks and more? Windy (or anyone) can you tell me the last time a team gave up that much capital and cap space and it worked out in their favor? I'll wait. We have never seen a QB of this level be traded before. That is why it is unlikely, but this is unprecedented. The Bears gave up a ton to get Cutler and he was 1/4 the QB Watson is. We weren’t close to being a Super Bowl contender with Mitch on a rookie deal. We won 0 playoff games. We scored 18 points in 2 playoff games. That isn’t a Super Bowl contender. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, WindyCity said: We have never seen a QB of this level be traded before. That is why it is unlikely, but this is unprecedented. The Bears gave up a ton to get Cutler and he was 1/4 the QB Watson is. We weren’t close to being a Super Bowl contender with Mitch on a rookie deal. We won 0 playoff games. We scored 18 points in 2 playoff games. That isn’t a Super Bowl contender. Look I wasn't the biggest Cutler guy and I think Watson is better than him and a very good QB at that but this is just flat out not accurate. Like I said Watson is very good but let's be realistic...this is hyperbole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, topwop1 said: Look I wasn't the biggest Cutler guy and I think Watson is better than him and a very good QB at that but this is just flat out not accurate. Like I said Watson is very good but let's be realistic...this is hyperbole It may be an exaggeration, but I don't know that I'd qualify it as "hyperbole". Watson is really, really good. Look what he's done in what are pretty much inarguably bad circumstances. I'm not sure that getting Watson is really a better plan than trading up to get Fields or Wilson...unless the price in draft capital is cheaper. That alone would make his salary more palatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 hours ago, WindyCity said: We have never seen a QB of this level be traded before. That is why it is unlikely, but this is unprecedented. The Bears gave up a ton to get Cutler and he was 1/4 the QB Watson is. We weren’t close to being a Super Bowl contender with Mitch on a rookie deal. We won 0 playoff games. We scored 18 points in 2 playoff games. That isn’t a Super Bowl contender. And that set our franchise back 10 years. Stop it. If Mitch would've worked out we absolutely would have been SB contenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 The Bears were closer to the Super Bowl with Cutler than they ever were with Mitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, JAF-N72EX said: And that set our franchise back 10 years. Stop it. If Mitch would've worked out we absolutely would have been SB contenders. You are obsessed with “if Mitch worked out” he didn’t. It has never worked out for the Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, JAF-N72EX said: And that set our franchise back 10 years. Stop it. If Mitch would've worked out we absolutely would have been SB contenders. What do you mean? They were in an NFC Title game 2 years later and were 7-2 when he broke his thumb the next year. We celebrate 8-8 and 1 and done in the playoffs around here. Jay never reached the heights we wanted, but “set the franchise back” isn’t even close to accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 hours ago, topwop1 said: Look I wasn't the biggest Cutler guy and I think Watson is better than him and a very good QB at that but this is just flat out not accurate. Like I said Watson is very good but let's be realistic...this is hyperbole It isn’t. He is a top 5 QB in the league. Cutler capped out as an average at best QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Watson's preferred destinations are apparently #1 NYJ and #2 Miami. No mention of Bears. I'd still be surprised of he'd want to come play for Bears after Pace passed him over but who knows. Still a long shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 On 1/22/2021 at 12:20 PM, vegas492 said: If that does happen, what would you give up for Jalen Hurts? What's Philly's motivation to move him? Unless they're getting a similar pick that they invested into him, they're better off keeping him around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, CWood21 said: What's Philly's motivation to move him? Unless they're getting a similar pick that they invested into him, they're better off keeping him around. I was a big fan of Hurts coming out last year and nothing about his play in Philly last year changed that...I would give them a 2nd for him...I think with a better OL and more weapons he would be a quality pick up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, topwop1 said: Watson's preferred destinations are apparently #1 NYJ and #2 Miami. No mention of Bears. I'd still be surprised of he'd want to come play for Bears after Pace passed him over but who knows. Still a long shot Pace is also good at keeping secrets - ex the Mack trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, CWood21 said: What's Philly's motivation to move him? Unless they're getting a similar pick that they invested into him, they're better off keeping him around. He and Wentz don’t get along. A lot was made of Wentz being pissed he was drafted and going in the tank looking over his shoulder. Then Pederson went with Hurts and the relationship with Wentz went real bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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