Ray Reed Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: The opposing team doesn't know Lamar Jackson is going to throw it ever, that's why he's good. So, his natural talents make him more successful, and more productive, on the football field - including when he has to throw it. Agreed. You can have the tire swing guy, though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ray Reed said: Yeah idk, seems like Baker isn't all that when teams know he has to drop back and throw it. Almost like the threat of Chubb/Hunt help Baker more than other QBs' run games help them out... Terribly designed graph. The author himself had to issue a clarification that "dropbacks" included scrambles and sacks. Essentially, a QB could take a drop back on 3rd and 40, run around, get a 1 yard scramble once outside of the pocket, and it logs as a "success" point. Cherry picking at the absolute finest. Edited September 24, 2021 by ronjon1990 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 What if I told you guys…. both of them are pretty damned good at what they’re asked to do… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: You guys are seriously undervaluing how good Baker's handoffs are and I'm not even trying to be facetious here, watch some tape. They'd rather look the other way Question, do you think Lamar would have a chance in the NFL running a conventional offense if he didn't have Greg Roman? or better yet, would he be able to run Sefanski's offense that requires you to know pre snap reads and go through progressions? Yikes... Edited September 24, 2021 by MSURacerDT55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Just now, MSURacerDT55 said: They'd rather look the other way Question, do you think Lamar would have a chance in the NFL running a conventional offense if he didn't have Greg Roman? or better yet, would he be able to run Sefanski's offense that requires you to know pre snap reads? Yikes... It’s hard to fault Lamar for running an offense that was tailored to his strengths and weaknesses well. That’s what coaches are expected to do, and exactly what Stefanski has done for Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJaxxenGuy Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: They'd rather look the other way Question, do you think Lamar would have a chance in the NFL running a conventional offense if he didn't have Greg Roman? or better yet, would he be able to run Sefanski's offense that requires you to know pre snap reads? Yikes... Would Baker be able to run Greg Roman’s offence, and produce the most Productive running attack In NFL history? Silly argument. Flip their situations and Lamar outperforms Baker so bad it’s so hilarious to picture I kind of wish we could. it’s almost as if you tailor your offence to your QBs strengths…. (and yes Lamar would be fine in Stefanskis offence, as most starting QBs would be with Chubb and Hunt and an elite offensive line and play sling/design) Edited September 24, 2021 by ThatJaxxenGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Terribly designed graph. The author himself had to issue a clarification that "dropbacks" included scrambles and sacks. ....because scrambles and sacks occur in clear-passing situations...which the graph was detailing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirill Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ray Reed said: If the other team knew the opposing QB was going to throw it, who do you think would have more success? Hint: it's Lamar. By a long shot. 🤷♂️ Holy crap Mahomes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Just now, Kirill said: Holy crap Mahomes. He's just a product of mecole hardman 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJaxxenGuy Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Kirill said: Holy crap Mahomes. There he is 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: It’s hard to fault Lamar for running an offense that was tailored to his strengths and weaknesses well. That’s what coaches are expected to do, and exactly what Stefanski has done for Baker. Yeah in all seriousness and with divisional hatred aside both QBs run their respective offenses very well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, ThatJaxxenGuy said: Obviously Baker does have to make a good throw from time to time, he’s a starting NFL QB. I just mean I’m personally not wowed by his completion percentage or what he’s doing after 2 games because I think we’re at the stage of the season where it’s all about game script and play design. for me I’m a big time Stefanski believer (though I don’t love it as an AFc North fan). The Browns play design and calling has been great the last two years and that’s on Stefanski. I just don’t necessarily see Baker as the engine driving that offence while Lamar is relied upon to be the workhorse running back, Efficient Quarterback, and decoy for the other runners, under an OC who has been run out of town using this offence with other QBs. well if that was what made a good QB then uncle Rico with a beer in his hand would be in the hall of fame by now. I'm not putting much stock into it either, so agreed. Only reason I'd say it's at all impressive is because he hasn't been dinking and dunking the ball and his CMP% is still high. But again, it's only been two games. CMP% isn't a huge stat for me personally anyway because it often lacks context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 minute ago, ThatJaxxenGuy said: Would Baker be able to run Greg Roman’s offence, and produce the most Productive running attack In NFL history? it’s almost as if you tailor your offence to your QBs strengths…. (and yes Lamar would be fine in Stefanskis offence). If you hadn't noticed, the Browns have a pretty dang good running game ourselves. And I highly doubt he could be "fine" in Stefanski's offense especially as a passer, that is wishful thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Terribly designed graph. The author himself had to issue a clarification that "dropbacks" included scrambles and sacks. Essentially, a QB could take a drop back on 3rd and 40, run around, get a 1 yard scramble once outside of the pocket, and it logs as a "success" point. Cherry picking at the absolute finest. Uh, no? EPA isnt a singular success point dude lol. It's expected points added during a given play. A 1 yard run on 3rd and 40 would not correlate to a good EPA. What are you talking about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Ray Reed said: Yeah in all seriousness and with divisional hatred aside both QBs run their respective offenses very well. And we might have a third to worry about if Burrow doesn’t die. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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