2022 draft prospects general discussion

[AZBearsFan]

5 hours ago, dll2000 said:

I like idea of bringing back Peters, if he isn't retiring, as your 6th man OL.  Near every team was using this run package in 2021.   Bears just did it with lessor talent.

I can’t see a player with Peters’ skins on the wall going through the rigors of the NFL conditioning, camp, etc. to be a backup. If he doesn’t wish to retire someone out there will give him more of a role than that. There’s a lot of underwhelming OTs out there. 

[Sugashane]

10 minutes ago, Heinz D. said:

You said the line did all right because they were beating up on terrible defenses. 

You compared it to Trubisky doing well, for a stretch. 

Should I elaborate? 

Bad defenses yes, not terrible. Terrible was the overall OL play from last year. Especially when against a good defense. Nagy compounded the issue but players need to be accountable for losing single match ups repeatedly. 

Tru was on a rookie deal and from that year he was expected to improve, just like Borom and Jenkins are expected to. That 2018 OL also only gave up a bit over half as many sacks as this OL.

After that stretch, and even after the mediocre play that followed for the rest of the season and postseason game, Tru wasn't talked about being replaced either by anyone seeking more than clickbait or seeking a reaction. 

[Heinz D.]

1 hour ago, Sugashane said:

Bad defenses yes, not terrible. Terrible was the overall OL play from last year. Especially when against a good defense. Nagy compounded the issue but players need to be accountable for losing single match ups repeatedly. 

Tru was on a rookie deal and from that year he was expected to improve, just like Borom and Jenkins are expected to. That 2018 OL also only gave up a bit over half as many sacks as this OL.

After that stretch, and even after the mediocre play that followed for the rest of the season and postseason game, Tru wasn't talked about being replaced either by anyone seeking more than clickbait or seeking a reaction. 

That's a mishmash. 

So Jenkins and Borom are bad...and need replaced? 

[Sugashane]

2 hours ago, Heinz D. said:

That's a mishmash. 

So Jenkins and Borom are bad...and need replaced? 

It's really not.

"Need to improve" and "be replaced" aren't remotely close to the same thing for Borom and Jenkins. Literally no one here is dense enough to confuse the two, especially when seeing my previous posts either. 

[dll2000]

13 hours ago, AZBearsFan said:

I can’t see a player with Peters’ skins on the wall going through the rigors of the NFL conditioning, camp, etc. to be a backup. If he doesn’t wish to retire someone out there will give him more of a role than that. There’s a lot of underwhelming OTs out there. 

Why not?

He likes it to some extent or he wouldn’t have done it for so long or got off his fishing boat to do it again.  

The rigors aren’t conditioning of camp.  The problem of camp for him is largely boredom because he has nothing more to learn.  He is sitting through hours of meetings of stuff he knows.  Imagine doing that at your job with a bunch of newbies every year. It would suck.   The rigors are playing 17 full games and destroying your body in your 40s.

What I am offering is a specialist role where that doesn’t happen. He will play 10 snaps a game in mostly run packages as 6th OL in which I believe he would excel because he can still maul people.    He could also block on field goals and extra points.   He would also be depth at OT and a player coach as well.  If an OT goes down he idea of him playing 5 games or so full time is lot more palatable than expecting 17.

I think I could sell him on that and it would help team.  

[AZBearsFan]

5 hours ago, dll2000 said:

Why not?

He likes it to some extent or he wouldn’t have done it for so long or got off his fishing boat to do it again.  

He got off the boat to start though. It wouldn’t shock me at all if that was understood between he, Nagy and Pace when he agreed to come on board and why Jenkins wasn’t starting at the end of the season. I just have a hard time believing he’d want to give up retirement hours to spend 6 days a week on football every week and then barely play on Sunday, for what would probably need to be a vet minimum type contract. He’s made $117M playing football - I can’t imagine a minimum deal moves the needle for him financially, and considering he was fishing during training camp and not actively seeking out employment within the league he’s probably made peace with the idea of being at the end of his NFL career. If he’s playing in 2022 then I think it’s because he wants to play. I can’t see a 5-10 snap per week workload really scratching that itch. Maybe it would - just my best guess. 

[dll2000]

1 hour ago, AZBearsFan said:

He got off the boat to start though. It wouldn’t shock me at all if that was understood between he, Nagy and Pace when he agreed to come on board and why Jenkins wasn’t starting at the end of the season. I just have a hard time believing he’d want to give up retirement hours to spend 6 days a week on football every week and then barely play on Sunday, for what would probably need to be a vet minimum type contract. He’s made $117M playing football - I can’t imagine a minimum deal moves the needle for him financially, and considering he was fishing during training camp and not actively seeking out employment within the league he’s probably made peace with the idea of being at the end of his NFL career. If he’s playing in 2022 then I think it’s because he wants to play. I can’t see a 5-10 snap per week workload really scratching that itch. Maybe it would - just my best guess. 

Maybe you are right.   My thinking is these guys usually say they miss locker rooms and comradery when they retire.  

I think yo are correct he would not like just sitting bench.  But coming in on sub packages and on special teams blocking units (not punt) and still earning a nice paycheck would be good I would think.

Your body isn't getting torn up and is sustainable that pace and you are making more than you can anywhere else and you are still young for a worker.

 

[Heinz D.]

19 hours ago, Sugashane said:

It's really not.

"Need to improve" and "be replaced" aren't remotely close to the same thing for Borom and Jenkins. Literally no one here is dense enough to confuse the two, especially when seeing my previous posts either. 

What strategy are you advocating for, then? 

[Madmike90]

This draft more so than any in recent history seems like a real “pick em” draft…there is nothing certain and a lot is going to come down to how teams grade guys individually…I would say nothing is off the table right now…I think even predicting the order of the Top 5 right now would be really tough…that is great news for us who could be sitting at #39 with a ton of guys we see as 1st rounders but others didn’t…Chris Olave being the most obvious example of that.

[Madmike90]

If we wait till later for a centre prospect then I love Nebraska's Cam Jurgens in a zone scheme...listed 6-3" 290lbs he is undersized but looks to have solid length and plays pretty strong...he is a former TE with excellent movement skills...on the zone runs I seen Nebraska run he was great at getting his man in skates and taking him out the play...if he is there in the 5th I would grab him.

[beardown3231]

14 hours ago, Heinz D. said:

What strategy are you advocating for, then? 

Competition?

[abstract_thought]

Am I the only one not impressed with what Jenkins showed on the field last season?

It's nice that he came back from injury and played some snaps. But he was regularly beaten by speed and constantly penalized.

[chisoxguy7]

59 minutes ago, beardown3231 said:

Competition?

I was gonna go with "always ladders, never chutes" and "never roll doubles 3 times in a row".

[blkwdw13]

1 hour ago, abstract_thought said:

Am I the only one not impressed with what Jenkins showed on the field last season?

It's nice that he came back from injury and played some snaps. But he was regularly beaten by speed and constantly penalized.

I think his first game and a half really stuck in peoples minds, after that he started settling in and getting better every game. Obviously he needs to continue to get better. 

[AZBearsFan]

2 hours ago, blkwdw13 said:

I think his first game and a half really stuck in peoples minds, after that he started settling in and getting better every game. Obviously he needs to continue to get better. 

That’s where I’m at with it. The first game was rough, but that shouldn’t have been surprising considering the lack of offseason work to acclimate to NFL-level opposition (remember, no TC or preseason game reps at all) coupled with the physical stuff from which he was coming back. He wasn’t even getting starter reps in practice that week - remember he only got in at all because Peters got hurt in the 1st quarter. That’s as baptism by fire as it gets.

After that first game I thought he looked far better. Not like a finished product by any stretch, but like he’s gonna be a player. There were flashes of the stuff I saw during the lead up to last year’s draft.