dll2000 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 2 hours ago, beardown3231 said: Reiff had no issue doing so last year because the money was right. I don't think I'll lose my **** if they don't take a RT at 9 (or 12, 13, 16, 19, etc) but I will if neither of the 2's are OT's. All this talk about unlimited money and a ton of draft picks to help Fields will go down the toilet, unless you think 1 WR and 1 OG is enough help The unlimited money has turned out to be very limited. Four teams have spent significantly more than Bears thus far in FA. Bears are 6th in spending. https://overthecap.com/free-agency-spending Not a big deal usually, but with amount of cap we cleared which was number 1 by a wide margin, it is strange we didn’t fill a premium position of need with a FA. If they don’t do extensions or something they are just being cheap. Spending just to the floor is not something you want of your team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 34 minutes ago, dll2000 said: The unlimited money has turned out to be very limited. Four teams have spent significantly more than Bears thus far in FA. Bears are 6th in spending. https://overthecap.com/free-agency-spendingNot a big deal usually, but with amount of cap we cleared which was number 1 by a wide margin, it is strange we didn’t fill a premium position of need with a FA. If they don’t do extensions or something they are just being cheap. Spending just to the floor is not something you want of your team. Poles has yet to be proven to be a liar...he was very clear we were going to be selective in FA and while adding more bodies at those premium positions would have won him more fans this off-season if he doesn't believe in them he is right to hold onto his money and look for opportunities via cuts after the draft/due to cap issue or even through a trade to add players he really believes in... I don't think this is a case of being cheap but simply seeing no one he trusts to be a magic bullet to fix everything and with that being the case building through the draft is the smart play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 https://www.profootballnetwork.com/pro-day-news-and-rumors-all-eyes-on-will-levis-stephen-f-austin-standouts-and-more/ Quote Xavier Gipson, quite possibly to most underrated wide receiver/return specialist in this year’s draft, also had a good day. He measured slightly over 5’9″ and tipped the scale at 189 pounds, 12 heavier than scouts expected. Gipson then timed as fast as 4.38 seconds in the 40. He looked terrific in receiver and return drills. Gipson’s college stats are pretty astounding — The Dallas Cowboys are expected to invite Gipson to their local pro day, and he’s drawing a lot of interest from the Chicago Bears. Gipson is a guy I haven't seen a lot of but when going through smaller school guys with great production (something I do every year to try and find diamonds in the rough) it is clear this guy is talented... Over the last 4 years... 243 receptions...4,311 yards...averaging 17.7 YPC...37 TDs As a senior returned 11 punts averaging 25.09 YPR A 4.38 at almost 190lbs with that type of production behind him makes him draft-able IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Madmike90 said: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/pro-day-news-and-rumors-all-eyes-on-will-levis-stephen-f-austin-standouts-and-more/ Gipson is a guy I haven't seen a lot of but when going through smaller school guys with great production (something I do every year to try and find diamonds in the rough) it is clear this guy is talented... Over the last 4 years... 243 receptions...4,311 yards...averaging 17.7 YPC...37 TDs As a senior returned 11 punts averaging 25.09 YPR A 4.38 at almost 190lbs with that type of production behind him makes him draft-able IMO. Hard to dispute all of those numbers, but his hands are tiny and his arms are very short. Anyone who can run like that I'd take a chance on in the later rounds though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Madmike90 said: Poles has yet to be proven to be a liar...he was very clear we were going to be selective in FA and while adding more bodies at those premium positions would have won him more fans this off-season if he doesn't believe in them he is right to hold onto his money and look for opportunities via cuts after the draft/due to cap issue or even through a trade to add players he really believes in... I don't think this is a case of being cheap but simply seeing no one he trusts to be a magic bullet to fix everything and with that being the case building through the draft is the smart play. I would agree on FA normally, but when you clear a gigantic amount of space and tank you can marginally overspend on a position or two of great need. Especially at a position where it is hard to find good players. You don’t have to take just anyone. Poles wanted McGlinchey. He targeted McGlinchey and he could have been had for roughly price he went. In end Poles just didn’t want to match guarantees for roughly same contract. https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/why-bears-decided-against-free-agent-tackles That seems … cheap … given circumstances. He had most space and money and was bidding against a team that had already paid their QB a fortune. And as a result Poles has now made an OT in draft a necessity where it didn’t have to be. It handcuffs our options of taking BPA. And draft picks can always bust to boot. You don’t even know if any OT you take can play. I am also not as convinced as most that B. Jones is going to take big step forward. His level of play last year was really good for a mid round rookie, but not good, at least not in pass pro. Sometimes players regress in second year. Daniels did. I like Poles, but I am not going to cheerlead every thing he does. He should have signed a good vet OT this offseason. It was a FA priority and it was his goal as well. He didn’t get it done. I don’t blame him for tagged players. Nothing you can do there. He has signed RBs, Gs and LBs in a draft really deep in all. Those are positions you plan to save cap space on. They are for fillers and rookie contracts. Supply is always high on them relatively. Draft has 4 or 5 really good RBs and 4 or so really good centers. And 2 really good guards and 4 really good LBs. I really like Edmunds and Davis and youth of FAs, but FA executed plan has been disappointing from big strategic perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 5 hours ago, beardown3231 said: Reiff had no issue doing so last year because the money was right. I don't think I'll lose my **** if they don't take a RT at 9 (or 12, 13, 16, 19, etc) but I will if neither of the 2's are OT's. All this talk about unlimited money and a ton of draft picks to help Fields will go down the toilet, unless you think 1 WR and 1 OG is enough help Reiff didn’t sign before the draft though. He signed on July 26th. I will he genuinely floored if we don’t add an OT with any of our first 4 picks (incl. 64). I just think if that pick isn’t our first one people are going to freak out. 44 picks between picks will feel like an eternity. At WR I think we need one more guy, but it’s not a pressing need now. Velus and ESB at WR4/5 is fine (those are the roles they’re suited for), but I think they want a guy (or at least should) to push ESB down or out, plus our WR2 and WR3 are both UFA next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, dll2000 said: I would agree on FA normally, but when you clear a gigantic amount of space and tank you can marginally overspend on a position or two of great need. Especially at a position where it is hard to find good players. You don’t have to take just anyone. Poles wanted McGlinchey. He targeted McGlinchey and he could have been had for roughly price he went. In end Poles just didn’t want to match guarantees for roughly same contract. https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/why-bears-decided-against-free-agent-tackles That seems … cheap … given circumstances. He had most space and money and was bidding against a team that had already paid their QB a fortune. And as a result Poles has now made an OT in draft a necessity where it didn’t have to be. It handcuffs our options of taking BPA. And draft picks can always bust to boot. You don’t even know if any OT you take can play. I am also not as convinced as most that B. Jones is going to take big step forward. His level of play last year was really good for a mid round rookie, but not good, at least not in pass pro. Sometimes players regress in second year. Daniels did. I like Poles, but I am not going to cheerlead every thing he does. He should have signed a good vet OT this offseason. It was a FA priority and it was his goal as well. He didn’t get it done. I don’t blame him for tagged players. Nothing you can do there. He has signed RBs, Gs and LBs in a draft really deep in all. Those are positions you plan to save cap space on. They are for fillers and rookie contracts. Supply is always high on them relatively. Draft has 4 or 5 really good RBs and 4 or so really good centers. And 2 really good guards and 4 really good LBs. I really like Edmunds and Davis and youth of FAs, but FA executed plan has been disappointing from big strategic perspective. According to McGlinchey himself he was already going to Denver given they were willing to out bid anyone else...nothing to suggest the Bears wanted him...and why would he want to get into a bidding war for a bad player just because he was a former 1st rounder and plays RT?... I think he got everything done in FA that he wanted to do...sign young athletic players who can continue to develop in a scheme that fits their talents...now I would still want to bring in some vets to fill some holes and add some experience but with how slow this market is right now there is no need to rush into any deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Madmike90 said: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/pro-day-news-and-rumors-all-eyes-on-will-levis-stephen-f-austin-standouts-and-more/ Gipson is a guy I haven't seen a lot of but when going through smaller school guys with great production (something I do every year to try and find diamonds in the rough) it is clear this guy is talented... Over the last 4 years... 243 receptions...4,311 yards...averaging 17.7 YPC...37 TDs As a senior returned 11 punts averaging 25.09 YPR A 4.38 at almost 190lbs with that type of production behind him makes him draft-able IMO. The first thing I do when hearing about a prospect is fire up their highlight reel plays, because I want to see them at their absolute best, before then deciding about digging into the rest of their tape and seeing what the average looks like. Gotta say, absolutely nothing here impressed me... to the point where I'm surprised he had anywhere near the production he had. Might be worth taking a flyer on him as an udfa, but I wouldn't be confident he even makes the Practice Squad. That said the tape on him readily available on youtube is pretty sparse as well, so it's quite likely his best simply weren't on YT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Madmike90 said: According to McGlinchey himself he was already going to Denver given they were willing to out bid anyone else...nothing to suggest the Bears wanted him...and why would he want to get into a bidding war for a bad player just because he was a former 1st rounder and plays RT?... I think he got everything done in FA that he wanted to do...sign young athletic players who can continue to develop in a scheme that fits their talents...now I would still want to bring in some vets to fill some holes and add some experience but with how slow this market is right now there is no need to rush into any deal. Nothing to suggest Bears wanted him? They were in a bidding war for him and Denver won. That certainly suggests interest. That may have been blessing as I am not so sure about McGlinchey as a player outside SF. But point is Poles wanted him. He said he didn’t want Orlando Brown, which I don’t agree with. Brown signed a two year deal basically for 16 per. Cheapest of big 3 FA OTs by a considerable margin. That was worth it to fill a hole. As for Taylor, he is guy we all wanted all offseason, he went highest of all to KC. I don’t really care about one guy and maybe that was too pricey, but I get a little upset when teams are paying multiple blue chip stars plus a QB and still easily outbidding us when we are paying hardly anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Madmike90 Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 6 hours ago, dll2000 said: Nothing to suggest Bears wanted him? They were in a bidding war for him and Denver won. That certainly suggests interest. That may have been blessing as I am not so sure about McGlinchey as a player outside SF. But point is Poles wanted him. He said he didn’t want Orlando Brown, which I don’t agree with. Brown signed a two year deal basically for 16 per. Cheapest of big 3 FA OTs by a considerable margin. That was worth it to fill a hole. As for Taylor, he is guy we all wanted all offseason, he went highest of all to KC. I don’t really care about one guy and maybe that was too pricey, but I get a little upset when teams are paying multiple blue chip stars plus a QB and still easily outbidding us when we are paying hardly anyone. Says who? Because according to the guy himself he was always going to Denver…not much of a war if there ever even was one… Brown at $16 million a year in this scheme wasn’t worth it because he can’t play in this scheme and the idea of “it would fill a hole” is exactly where Ryan Pace went wrong several times…that is not how to build a roster for long term success… You are again presuming we are being outbid when the reality is Poles has said he isn’t going to even be in on a lot of guys…FA is not going to be where Poles turns this team around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 5 hours ago, Madmike90 said: Says who? Because according to the guy himself he was always going to Denver…not much of a war if there ever even was one… Brown at $16 million a year in this scheme wasn’t worth it because he can’t play in this scheme and the idea of “it would fill a hole” is exactly where Ryan Pace went wrong several times…that is not how to build a roster for long term success… You are again presuming we are being outbid when the reality is Poles has said he isn’t going to even be in on a lot of guys…FA is not going to be where Poles turns this team around. I think Poles made it pretty clear where he stood with scheme fits when he moved Roquan. He obviously has a very clear idea in his head of what he wants at certain spots and OT certainly appears to be one of those. Fans saw McGlinchey, Taylor and McGary as scheme fits, but Poles may not have. Word was that he was after McGlinchey but I never heard anything credible about either of the other two. Brown was always different IMO - with him it was typically more “He plays OT and we need an OT.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 5 hours ago, Madmike90 said: Says who? Because according to the guy himself he was always going to Denver…not much of a war if there ever even was one… Brown at $16 million a year in this scheme wasn’t worth it because he can’t play in this scheme and the idea of “it would fill a hole” is exactly where Ryan Pace went wrong several times…that is not how to build a roster for long term success… You are again presuming we are being outbid when the reality is Poles has said he isn’t going to even be in on a lot of guys…FA is not going to be where Poles turns this team around. Says credible sources. I already cited it. If memory serves Poles even alluded to it in an interview. You are like a press secretary sometimes. You think Poles didn’t try for any big FA OTs? It was an obvious goal. Scheme. People keep repeating that word. It is 2023 buzz word. It’s zone blocking. With OZ as primary base play. Brown isn’t bees knees, or wasn’t last year in some games, but you think he never zone blocked in college and NFL? Literally everyone does it. Poles has a preference for lighter OL or ones with lower body fat. That’s fine, but that doesn’t mean Brown can’t play at all. He has been well above average player in league since jump. He would be our second most decorated Olinemen in recent memory and he is still young unlike Jason Peters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 hours ago, dll2000 said: Says credible sources. I already cited it. If memory serves Poles even alluded to it in an interview. You are like a press secretary sometimes. You think Poles didn’t try for any big FA OTs? It was an obvious goal. More credible than McGlinchey himself? Doubtful, because he said Denver basically gave him a blank check. So really the only involvement us, or any other team would be is just giving him the benchmark to take back to Denver to top that offer. Also, Browns contract isnt 16 AAV over 2. Hes getting like $42m in the first 2 years, and then hes going to want to restructure, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, StLunatic88 said: More credible than McGlinchey himself? Doubtful, because he said Denver basically gave him a blank check. So really the only involvement us, or any other team would be is just giving him the benchmark to take back to Denver to top that offer. Also, Browns contract isnt 16 AAV over 2. Hes getting like $42m in the first 2 years, and then hes going to want to restructure, I didn't see latest info. I was going off Biggs article and trusting his information. Misplaced trust I guess. I apologized in another thread. Hard to keep track of all of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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