PackFan13 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: My Final WR and TE Rankings (Broken Into Tiers): WR: (1) Zay Flowers, Boston College (2) Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State (3) Jonathan Mingo, Ole Miss (4) Quentin Johnston, TCU (5) Jalin Hyatt, Tennessee (6) Rashee Rice, SMU (7) Jordan Addison, USC (8) AT Perry, Wake Forest (9) Cedric Tillman, Tennessee (9) Josh Downs, North Carolina (10) Tank Dell, Houston (11) Tyler Scott, Cincinatti (12) Marvin Mims, Oklahoma (13) Dontayvion Wicks, Virginia (14) Grant Dubose, Charlotte (15) Michael Wilson, Stanford (16) Andre Iosivas, Princeton (17) Jayden Reed, Michigan State (18) Matt Landers, Arkansas (19) Bryce Ford-Wheaton, WVU (20) Elijah Higgins, Stanfford TE: (1) Darnell Washington, Georgia (2) Dalton Kincaid, Utah (3) Luke Musgrave, Oregon State (4) Sam Laporta, Iowa (5) Michael Mayer, Notre Dame (6) Tucker Kraft, South Dakota (7) Zack Kuntz, Ole Dominion (8) Josh Whyle, Cincinatti (9) Will Mallory, Miami (10) Luke Schoonmaker, Michigan (11) Brenton Strange, Penn State (12) Payne Durham, Purdue (13) Blake Whiteheart, Wake Forest (14) Brayden Willis, Oklahoma (15) Cameron Latu, Alabama Is this Packers specific rankings or just in general how you view each player. Edited April 21, 2023 by PackFan13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampfgeist Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Wonder if Kirby Smart even broke a sweat in his eventual 42-41 victory over Ohio State? Sure Stroud had a 67%+ completion percentage w 348 yards 4 TDs and 34 more yards rushing......but he had to know his S2 test was going to be poor so victory was kind of assured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, MrBobGray said: Hawk to me is a great example of the dangers in picking a guy specifically for your scheme who otherwise you'd have lower on your board. Bob Sanders, the Packers DC in '06, was a disciple of Jim Bates, long time coach who was the DC for the 2005 season. In Bates's system, the goal is to have big DTs clog the middle, and have the DEs and OLBs run basically super contain. The OLBs in particular are responsible for ensuring they don't get beat to the sideline, to force the RBs back to the pursuit. Because the system plays a lot of man coverage, the CBs can't be relied on to be the force player, so it's the job of the OLB to always be in position to be the force player regardless of the run type. This means that you need OLBs that are fast enough to beat NFL RBs in a footrace to the outside and play man coverage on TEs, but also strong enough to fulfill in the box duties and be reliably able to make strange angle tackles in the open field once they've held contain and forced the runner back inside. That requires a rare combination of speed, tackling ability, and most importantly good game sense, because the weakside backer is playing in a lot of space and still needs to be able to play with good leverage on the runner despite coming from strange angles. So you draft a guy #5 who's got a super high football IQ, great straight line speed and change of direction ability (Hawk had a damn 3.96 short shuttle and 6.82 cone at 248 lbs), and is a great tackler even in space. It's a tough set of parameters to fill and Hawk met all of them at a position of impact for that defense. And he was good at that role! In his rookie year he had 2 INTs, 7 PD, 1 FF, 2 FR, 3.5 sacks, 121 total tackles and 7 QB hits. The problem is that while Hawk was maybe worth a top 5 pick in that particular scheme, he was of significantly less value in others. Like Dom Capers's 3-4 scheme that has the ILB in the box and often uncovered with a specific gap. All that ability to play fast in space and hold contain that was so important, the specific skill set that made Hawk a viable top 5 pick, is irrelevant to the position now. It's like buying a sports car and then finding out you're moving to a small mountain town with unreliable roads. Sure there are still times and places you can open it up, but you'd be better off finding something with actual clearance. And one of the major issues with teams always flipping DC's and changing schemes. The change from Pettine to Barry had Gutes scrambling and now after many players be changed out many people want to make another change. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, PackFan13 said: Is this Packers specific rankings or just in general how you view each player. My evaluations only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 For the JSN fans… more talk about GB being linked to him strongly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Old Guy said: Exactly why he reminds me of Justin Fields. Interestingly, I believe Fields actually did very well on the S2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, Green19 said: For the JSN fans… more talk about GB being linked to him strongly WHy does Bukowski link to WTH he's talking about?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, R T said: And one of the major issues with teams always flipping DC's and changing schemes. The change from Pettine to Barry had Gutes scrambling and now after many players be changed out many people want to make another change. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. There is some degree of challenge with maintaining continuity. If you have a really smart head coach who hires really smart, capable coordinators and coaches, they tend to get hired away and you have to replace them. If you have a not-that-smart head coach, who hires not-that-smart, not-that-capable underlings, they don't get hired away and you are able to maintain stability. But that stability may involve schemes that aren't that smart, and a lack of ability to adapt them to personnel, or to changes in the league, or to game-by-game matchups. Not sure where MLF falls on that spectrum, or MM before him. MLF lost Hackett, although he didn't survive a full season with Wilson in Denver. Not sure how good Hackett is. Perhaps a really good, smart coach who was the victim of unrealistic expectations, of Russell being shockingly bad, and of the surrounding cast being lousy? Or maybe Hackett just is a nice guy but not that great a coach? I don't recall McCarthy having lots of coaches hired away, although I may well be forgetting many. The only one that jumps to mind is Ben McAdoo, who didn't really have a great run with Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Tank Dell. We normally do not draft small Wr's, but dang that kid is fun to watch. And he can release clean off of the line. If he falls to the 3rd or later in the draft, he's a little guy I'd take a chance on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Sandy said: That's what we said about Wyatt last year. And what exactly has Wyatt done yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddfather Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, beekay414 said: And what exactly has Wyatt done yet? He's been a nice addition in Madden for me. Other than that, not much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Smidgeon said: So does Stroud... Yeah for Stroud that different speed is slower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 58 minutes ago, craig said: There is some degree of challenge with maintaining continuity. If you have a really smart head coach who hires really smart, capable coordinators and coaches, they tend to get hired away and you have to replace them. If you have a not-that-smart head coach, who hires not-that-smart, not-that-capable underlings, they don't get hired away and you are able to maintain stability. But that stability may involve schemes that aren't that smart, and a lack of ability to adapt them to personnel, or to changes in the league, or to game-by-game matchups. Not sure where MLF falls on that spectrum, or MM before him. MLF lost Hackett, although he didn't survive a full season with Wilson in Denver. Not sure how good Hackett is. Perhaps a really good, smart coach who was the victim of unrealistic expectations, of Russell being shockingly bad, and of the surrounding cast being lousy? Or maybe Hackett just is a nice guy but not that great a coach? I don't recall McCarthy having lots of coaches hired away, although I may well be forgetting many. The only one that jumps to mind is Ben McAdoo, who didn't really have a great run with Giants. McAdoo was HC of the Giants. Jagdozinski (sp?) got hired away real quick to coach Boston College. Philbin was coach of the Dolphins for a second. I believe Clements was OC for someone for a while. Even Capers has had additional stops after GB and McCarthy. I think the Broncos hit a trifecta of misevaluations last offseason. Hackett was not as good as advertised. Russell Wilson was not as good as advertised. And finally, the rest of the Broncos roster was not as good as advertised. Combine the three, and you have a horrible team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 hour ago, packfanfb said: Interestingly, I believe Fields actually did very well on the S2. Was the S2 around when Jordan Love was going thru the process? I only recently started hearing of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, {Family Ghost} said: Was the S2 around when Jordan Love was going thru the process? I only recently started hearing of it. Yes, he scored a 110% on it and broke it. Took a couple of year to get it fixed and is why you just started to hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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