HokieHigh Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Knowing that lvns biggest knocks are technical (hand use and interior rush moves) makes me feel that this staff will bring him along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackFan13 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I think the kid will be good. We have to be near the top of the league in defensive players taken in the first. Will we finally get a top defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, HokieHigh said: Knowing that lvns biggest knocks are technical (hand use and interior rush moves) makes me feel that this staff will bring him along. It worked with Rashan Gary. Now, Gary wants to be great, you can tell in interviews. At the time he was drafted, I said that if he busts, it is because he just didn't learn to football, because he sure is going to work. And I believe I am correct. I haven't had as much exposure to Van Ness, but I get a similar feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Solid draft pick. He's gonna pay dividends for this D. Hopefully Gary can have an un-Bak return from his knee injury and we'll have a pair of dynamic maulers on both ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, PackFan13 said: I think the kid will be good. We have to be near the top of the league in defensive players taken in the first. Will we finally get a top defense? I think our biggest problem is consistency. We have weeks where we shut out Justin Jefferson, and really don't give anything up at all. Then we also give up season highs to historically poor offenses like Detroit. We also have a knack for giving up points in the last 2 minutes of either half. Is this Jimmys and Joes, or X's and O's? Perhaps six of one, half a dozen of the other? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zycho32 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: I think our biggest problem is consistency. We have weeks where we shut out Justin Jefferson, and really don't give anything up at all. Then we also give up season highs to historically poor offenses like Detroit. We also have a knack for giving up points in the last 2 minutes of either half. Is this Jimmys and Joes, or X's and O's? Perhaps six of one, half a dozen of the other? I would say it's 70% scheme, 30% motivation. Goes back to the whole thing being a Barry problem, not just in planning, but in inspiration. When the defense is clicking and schemed right, motivation goes through the roof. But when it's not right and the D gets gashed repeatedly, then you lose that concentration and you start really faltering near the end. I also want very badly to make an allegory for Barry, but the politics will give me a ban for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFP7 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Watch we finally have a top 5 defense the first year rodgers is gone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 LVN has a real chance to show just how mediocre our other defensive "stars" and first round picks really are. He has the athletic profile to compete for DPOY awards in year 3/4 of his rookie deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, KFP7 said: Watch we finally have a top 5 defense the first year rodgers is gone maybe because he's gone and the lockerroom has a totally different energy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: LVN has a real chance to show just how mediocre our other defensive "stars" and first round picks really are. He has the athletic profile to compete for DPOY awards in year 3/4 of his rookie deal. Given these grades, what you have LVN at? Jalen Carter - 7.35 Anderson Jr - 7.22 Tyree Wilson - 6.93 Myles Murphy - 6.68 Nolan Smith - 6.63 Will McDonald - 6.33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haha21 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 LVN is very similar to when we took Gary in 2019. Big, athletic EDGE that has all the tools but needs to learn how to refine them. We've seen Gary develop into a great EDGE and I think LVN will eventually do the same. I envision they'll use him a lot like Za'Darius Smith was used inside. Great versatility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 55 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said: This was low key one of my favorite parts of the draft. Detroit royally F’d up and Minnesota got a guy I wanted no part of . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: I’m not sure if I’m understanding the point. RAS is determined by the position groups, why is he comparing RAS scores of guys in a different position ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Given these grades, what you have LVN at? Jalen Carter - 7.35 Anderson Jr - 7.22 Tyree Wilson - 6.93 Myles Murphy - 6.68 Nolan Smith - 6.63 Will McDonald - 6.33 I had LVN at #7 on my top 100. Carter, Wilson, Anderson, Young, Witherspoon, Gonzalez, LVN. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: Given these grades, what you have LVN at? Jalen Carter - 7.35 Anderson Jr - 7.22 Tyree Wilson - 6.93 Myles Murphy - 6.68 Nolan Smith - 6.63 Will McDonald - 6.33 High 6s 6.8-6.9? I get a bit confused with these grading scales since each tenth of a point at the top is a huge drop-off in grade but it doesn't really work as a quantitative measure because the distribution of grades is not evenly spread. Worst case I think you have Nick Perry here. Guy who turns his speed into power and gets sacks late in the down - useful, but a bit overrated as skills go for edge. Stout against the run. You have to love the upside here though - he doesn't have any real pass rush moves yet but he has ALL the stuff you can't teach. It's not a pick without any risk - which I like honestly because it comes with the high upside. But unlike a speed rusher with risk, I think LVN has a floor that won't kill you. Add in that he has some sub rush versatility, and ability to play alongside 2 other edge players and he can eat some snaps that almost no other player can in this draft outside of Carter, Anderson, and I guess Kancey. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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