Old Guy Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, Kampfgeist said: They save something like 1.1-1.2 mil cap space on the punter correct? 17 minutes ago, Striker said: Yeah, they take on 1.1M in dead money and 1.25M in savings. Incorrect! You need to subtract Whelen's cap number from that to get our real savings. Which I'm sure is the minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampfgeist Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 32 minutes ago, Kampfgeist said: They save something like 1.1-1.2 mil cap space on the punter correct? Saw the packerswire article - looks like it's $450k total cap savings. That's not as exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mr Bad Example said: How many Packer fans does it take to change a lightbulb KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, Striker said: Yeah, they take on 1.1M in dead money and 1.25M in savings. Per Spotrac, Pat's dead cap is $475 and his cap hit would have been $2,375. So, save $1.9 on him; spend $0.75 of that towards Whelan instead. Saves ~$1.15. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/pat-odonnell-14602/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Sammich Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 41 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: This is the sort of move that the ST coach makes. Let's be real. He's the Assistant GM. It's the only way guys like Tyler Davis and Patrick Taylor become core team pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, craig said: Per Spotrac, Pat's dead cap is $475 and his cap hit would have been $2,375. So, save $1.9 on him; spend $0.75 of that towards Whelan instead. Saves ~$1.15. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/pat-odonnell-14602/ According to Spotrac the Packers are currently the 2nd youngest team in the league at just a smidge over 25 years of age. The Rams are the youngest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ham Sammich said: Let's be real. He's the Assistant GM. It's the only way guys like Tyler Davis and Patrick Taylor become core team pieces. I mean, kinda. Most ST coaches are given X number of roster spots with which to make their roster. The Packers held out on doing this for the longest time. With the hiring of Bisaccia they appear to have relented on that policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampfgeist Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, craig said: Per Spotrac, Pat's dead cap is $475 and his cap hit would have been $2,375. So, save $1.9 on him; spend $0.75 of that towards Whelan instead. Saves ~$1.15. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/pat-odonnell-14602/ That's what I worked through when I made my original post. Packerswire has different #'s and has as at 450k savings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 40 minutes ago, Mr Bad Example said: How many Packer fans does it take to change a lightbulb 13. One to change the lightbulb, 12 to talk about how great the old one was. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) That Bjorquez was a bad holder doesn't mean that every young punter is and will always be a bad holder. That some failed FG are caused by bad holds doesn't mean all are. All else equal save the $1.1. All else equal, keep the younger guy. All else equal, keep the stronger leg. It's a rebuild year: *IF* there's a kick that fails on account of a bad hold, who cares? ST guy had input for sure, so he probably didn't think Whelan's holding is terrible or non-fixable. Coach that up and be ready for next year. Edited August 28, 2023 by craig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Vince Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 hours ago, R T said: This was a surprise to me. Tracking the missed FG's, we find that the vast majority of misses came with Whelan as the holder. Is a couple of yards of punting really worth missing FG's? They tend to go through this cutdown process by position groups starting with the special teams, is a decision on the long snapper next? Cap saving ✂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lodestar Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, Chili said: What the **** did I just watch 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lodestar said: What the **** did I just watch Anyone ever notice a holder hitting the ground where he placed the ball after it's been kicked? I wonder if that is a Whelan thing, or a real holder (coached) thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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