Mazrimiv Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 If Gute spends a high(ish) 2024 RD1 pick at safety, I might board the fire Gute train. Need and value should be aligned just fine for Gute to improve the OL. The FA market at RB should be interesting next off-season. Even after the Taylor deal, I don't expect the market to be any kinder to RB's. If Taylor struggles this season, the market could actually get worse. Several quality RB's should be ready for a change of scenery once this season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilltray Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Mazrimiv said: If Gute spends a high(ish) 2024 RD1 pick at safety, I might board the fire Gute train. Need and value should be aligned just fine for Gute to improve the OL. Why? They've consistently found good OL in the mid rounds but S has been a pretty big hole for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnhope Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Who are the good OL om our roster drafted in the Mid Rounds? We have 1 good OL right now and he was drafted in the 2nd round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zycho32 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, spilltray said: Why? They've consistently found good OL in the mid rounds but S has been a pretty big hole for quite some time. In general Safeties haven't warranted anything above mid-first-round status, and the way things are going, we're looking at an upper-half pick in the first with at least a couple of Blue Chip LT prospects available. As for finding mid/late round prospects at OL go, again, it should never be your style to go that route on a premium position if you can help it. That's not even Moneyball tactics, that's just you calling your glued macaroni picture from kindergarten the next Mona Lisa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilltray Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 23 minutes ago, Zycho32 said: In general Safeties haven't warranted anything above mid-first-round status, and the way things are going, we're looking at an upper-half pick in the first with at least a couple of Blue Chip LT prospects available. As for finding mid/late round prospects at OL go, again, it should never be your style to go that route on a premium position if you can help it. That's not even Moneyball tactics, that's just you calling your glued macaroni picture from kindergarten the next Mona Lisa. And so many of those top 10 "can't miss" OT prospects have in fact missed. I understand you are going for an interpretation of "planet theory" but you can get yourself in just as much trouble by pigeonholing yourself like that. You shouldn't pass on better football players because you stack the deck positionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zycho32 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, spilltray said: And so many of those top 10 "can't miss" OT prospects have in fact missed. I understand you are going for an interpretation of "planet theory" but you can get yourself in just as much trouble by pigeonholing yourself like that. You shouldn't pass on better football players because you stack the deck positionally. You're applying hindsight where it doesn't function. Very rarely can you see the 'misses' coming in the NFL Draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilltray Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Zycho32 said: You're applying hindsight where it doesn't function. Very rarely can you see the 'misses' coming in the NFL Draft. I'd disagree. The time it is easiest to call early is when teams are looking for needs. Especially QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, spilltray said: And so many of those top 10 "can't miss" OT prospects have in fact missed. I understand you are going for an interpretation of "planet theory" but you can get yourself in just as much trouble by pigeonholing yourself like that. You shouldn't pass on better football players because you stack the deck positionally. Yes, don't reach for a player out of need. We used to do that a lot years ago and the team never seemed to get any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 The only safety I'd want in the middle 1st is Kamren Kinchens out of Miami. Dude will be a special FS imo. Give us what we've missed since Nick Collins got hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmansmell Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/14/2023 at 6:06 AM, Old Guy said: Are you this guy? I ddin't mean trade for a rb lol. I just was saying we have to cut Bak, and getting two solid veteran rb's for about the same money - while being in position to draft tackle looks ok. Bak + change was referring to the cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, spilltray said: Why? They've consistently found good OL in the mid rounds but S has been a pretty big hole for quite some time. Have they since bakh? Chasing DBs is what brought us into some deficiencies at other spots. All things equal I'm bringing in the big this year. Day 2 I'll take whatever.. but the OL needs an injection of a blue chipper if we get a shot at one. Guess I should've continued reading the thread, the points basically been made. Edited October 16, 2023 by HighCalebR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgwingman Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 To be fair, we probably need a first round and mid round infusion of OL into this team. I'd argue 3/5 of this line could be turned over next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebpackfan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 There are two young guys we’ve never really seen in Jones and Tenuta. Would like to see them get some time if Walker continues to struggle just to see what we got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/14/2023 at 7:35 AM, MacReady said: This year is the year we REALLY need to reset our OL foundation, but more and more it’s looking like DeJean is going to be that safety/slot specialist who breaks into the top half of the first round. Jim Leonhard getting him started in this league is just too good a prospect to pass up. I was hoping he’d have a quiet year, but that punt return for a TD and the hype he’s building… More than just a handful are starting to see the potential he has to be that next Minkah Fitzpatrick game changer. Even I was surprised to see he’s listed at 6’1, 207. Same as Fitzpatrick. He tracks the ball better than anyone I’ve seen and has that QB mind. For his sake, if we still have Barry I want him on any other team. But if we get him paired up with a fresh young defensive mind… We’re talking a return to the Woodson days of beautiful pick sixes and exotic DB blitz packages. I'm on board with DeJean. 100%. I think it wiser to draft a top end OT/LT. But, DeJean is a playmaker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fussnputz Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, vegas492 said: I'm on board with DeJean. 100%. I think it wiser to draft a top end OT/LT. But, DeJean is a playmaker. I've always thought of the O-line as the heart of the offense. Although the comparison is not perfect, I think the O-line is like a chain. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Right now we have like three weak links. As much as I would like DeJean, he is a want not a need. We have three big needs on the O-line. Must maintain discipline and draft O-linemen. Ideally, we should move Tom to center where he could maybe develop to an all-pro, rather than an above average T. That means we need a G and two Ts. This is supposed to be a great year for Ts. Let's go #1 and #2 on Ts in the draft, with maybe a G in round 4. Then draft a bunch of Ss and RBs and see where we are. P.S. You're one of my favorite posters. Keep 'em coming! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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