childofpudding Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Speedyg said: I actually think Bortles had tons of success (when he was playing well early Dec) vs man. The Jaguars used a lot of crossers with their speed guys (Lee, Cole, Westbrook), both shallow and deep. They had enough mix-ups of some gos (mostly with Cole), but a lot of the big plays were off deep crossing route types. Maybe the last two games were outliers. I admittedly haven't studied them beyond that. He had trouble fitting the ball into tight windows against the man coverage that Buffalo threw at him, but did well against the Steelers when they played zone. I definitely think one of the big keys to the game will be whether the Jaguars have success with the deep ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Hypothetically if it were announced tomorrow that Brady were not going to play, what do you guys think the line would be on this game? I still think you could definitely make the case for the Patriots as favorites or at least a close line given: - Hoyer is a vet who knows the offense and would have a lot of weapons at his disposal - Hoyer has had some success in the past in much worse situations and even against good defenses - The Patriots were probably going to focus on the running game anyway with Lewis and White - The game is at home - Belichick factor - Pats defense has been very good the second half of the season and should be able to handle Bortles Not that I think there's any chance Brady wouldn't play, even if he's seriously hurt, just an interesting hypothetical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmen Cygni Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 9 hours ago, childofpudding said: Patriots D is a bit better equipped to stop the Jaguars rushing offense with their 4-3 base (or really 4-2-5) with some big tackles inside. Steelers' 3-4 was repeatedly gashed with Dupree and Watt standing up on the edges. Lot of space inside for Fournette, and sometimes he wasn't even touched until he was 4+ yards past the LOS. Patriots also play more man than the Steelers, and Bortles can struggle against man. Jags could do some damage with play action on early downs. They didn't do that much vs. the Bills but did vs. the Steelers and had some success with it. It's a 3-3-5 with a 50 front and Bear alignment to occupy the C-G-C that they have preferred since last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ForTheThumb Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 8 hours ago, mission27 said: Hypothetically if it were announced tomorrow that Brady were not going to play, what do you guys think the line would be on this game? I still think you could definitely make the case for the Patriots as favorites or at least a close line given: - Hoyer is a vet who knows the offense and would have a lot of weapons at his disposal - Hoyer has had some success in the past in much worse situations and even against good defenses - The Patriots were probably going to focus on the running game anyway with Lewis and White - The game is at home - Belichick factor - Pats defense has been very good the second half of the season and should be able to handle Bortles Not that I think there's any chance Brady wouldn't play, even if he's seriously hurt, just an interesting hypothetical. I would say the line would probably be even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedyg Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 hours ago, childofpudding said: Maybe the last two games were outliers. I admittedly haven't studied them beyond that. He had trouble fitting the ball into tight windows against the man coverage that Buffalo threw at him, but did well against the Steelers when they played zone. I definitely think one of the big keys to the game will be whether the Jaguars have success with the deep ball. Overall Blake struggled vs the Bills. I don't think it would have mattered what defense they ran, he couldn't even hit screens consistently in that game lol. Also, keep in mind that playing man turns your corner away from the quarterback, something that Blake took advantage of vs the Bills (and a couple of times vs Pitt). Between his mobility and the speed of Cole/Lee/Westbrook, playing man I think makes it easier for Blake to know what to do with the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 9 hours ago, mission27 said: Hypothetically if it were announced tomorrow that Brady were not going to play, what do you guys think the line would be on this game? I think the Line instantly drops 5 points. Just the Brady Factor. Him & Rodgers are the only two players I can see do this in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 47 minutes ago, gopherwrestler said: I think the Line instantly drops 5 points. Just the Brady Factor. Exactly my guess, would drop to Jags -1.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitlions72003 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, cddolphin said: Exactly my guess, would drop to Jags -1.5. Could really use a guy like Jimmy G, just in case of injury.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLambert58 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 No practice for Tommy on Thurday? Not looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Oh baby, are we getting serious here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 pats first offensive play will be a deep ball to cooks never doubting brady again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ForTheThumb Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 56 minutes ago, cddolphin said: Exactly my guess, would drop to Jags -1.5. It was at 9.5 before, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitlions72003 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, 1ForTheThumb said: It was at 9.5 before, no? I saw 8.5 but I wouldn't be shocked to see this a FG game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, 1ForTheThumb said: It was at 9.5 before, no? I thought it was -3.5 Pats but I just realized that was the NFCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Carmen Cygni said: It's a 3-3-5 with a 50 front and Bear alignment to occupy the C-G-C that they have preferred since last year. No. Last couple seasons they've typically had a 4 DL rotation with various fronts and alignments depending on the matchup. Most common is 4-2-5. They've probably run 3-2-6 as often as 3-3-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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