raiderrocker18 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) i think it's going to be hard to mess up the steelers offense... but i think its nuts that Ben supposedly didnt have the authority to change the call at the line. but with a solid OL (after years of disastrous play), weapons, and a QB who doesnt look done yet, they should be fine. i dont think haley was their big problem, though. off topic, i remember posters more from their avatar than name, but is FourThree the guy who used to have the Tomlin avi? Edited January 18, 2018 by raiderrocker18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, raiderrocker18 said: i think it's going to be hard to mess up the steelers offense... but i think its nuts that Ben supposedly didnt have the authority to change the call at the line. but with a solid OL (after years of disastrous play), weapons, and a QB who doesnt look done yet, they should be fine. i dont think haley was their big problem, though. off topic, i remember posters more from their avatar than name, but is FourThree the guy who used to have the Tomlin avi? I was looking at it earlier today, and in the Haley era we averaged 18th in the NFL in 3rd down conversions, and 21st int the NFL in the red zone. So if we have a great OL, weapons, and a QB who's still able to go, what else could the issue be? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Haley was absolutely the problem. Overall his offense was more good than bad. He made the offense better. However, there were shortcomings on his offensive gameplan. We saw a lot of that against Jax. We have seen it consistently. Situational football, imo, was his worst enemy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Slim Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 haley wasn't a bad coordinator and the offense was still successful but he just wasn't able to take it to the next level it should be at given the personnel good luck for whatever his next job is but i think both parties are better off here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 With that personnel I would have expected more out of the Steelers offense. I guess we'll see if that changes next year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said: I'm sorry but this is just flat-out ignorance. How did Arians prove us wrong exactly? He was a pretty good head coach but that doesn't mean he was good as offensive coordinator. Yes he had some success with Arizona, but that doesn't mean it dismisses our biggest criticism of him, which was the situational play calling, which I've also heard Cardinals and Colts fans complain about during his time as offensive play-caller. So no, he didn't really prove anything wrong in regards to the criticism Steeler fans had about him. Arians was a great head coach for Arizona and Indy. He also was the offensive mind behind some great offenses in Arizona. He definitely proved Steelers fans wrong. Y'all wanted the guy fired. It's pure ignorance to pretend that you're justified because Arians has flaws. I already addressed that earlier. Every person has flaws. 3 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said: Arians and Haley were both laughably bad situational playcallers and gameplanners in general. Both would regularly move away from whats working. Both would regularly fail to take advantage of favorable matchups. Both consistently failed at situational playcalling. Its easy to look at the stats and believe they have been good OCs without actually watching them week to week and coming to a more informed conclusion, but I promise you, both were mediocre OCs. Arians was a terrific QB coach and Haley's offense was quite good, but neither were even remotely decent at situational play calling, and that was the biggest issue with both of them. And Haley has only ever had Elite talents on offenses he has coached as offensive coordinator both in Pittsburgh and Arizona. Any remotely decent coordinator could have success with the talent he had with both of those teams. Well or offense had plenty of success under him, it was also a lot more inconsistent than it had any right to be with the talent we have. Your next offensive coordinator will also have flaws. At some point, y'all need to reevaluate your expectations. Fact is that Haley's offense was 3rd in points per drive and 4th in yards per drive this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanLegend Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) I kinda find the "I didn't have permission to call a QB sneak" stuff funny. Like are you serious lol you're Ben Roethlisberger, if you go call a QB sneak you think you're gonna get benched for Landry Jones? Edited January 18, 2018 by TitanLegend 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I love how everyone keeps talking about how Haley is fielding a Top 5 offense year in and year out... Everyone realizes that they're talking about yards right? Which is meaningless... The Steelers Offense has ranked in the Top 5 in terms of Points scored just once in the Haley era despite having a Top 5 QB, Top 3 HB, and Top God-Level Wide Receiver during that span and a consistent and healthy O-Line. Oh, and Wide Receivers who would likely start elsewhere. It's because he cannot get it done in the Red Zone or Short Yardage situations which has cost this team games. There's no excuse to never be in the top 3 scoring offenses with that talent! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 4 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said: I'm sorry but this is just flat-out ignorance. How did Arians prove us wrong exactly? He was a pretty good head coach but that doesn't mean he was good as offensive coordinator. Yes he had some success with Arizona, but that doesn't mean it dismisses our biggest criticism of him, which was the situational play calling, which I've also heard Cardinals and Colts fans complain about during his time as offensive play-caller. So no, he didn't really prove anything wrong in regards to the criticism Steeler fans had about him. What did Arians do other than possibly end Palmer and Luck's careers at differnet ends of the spectrum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, BlaqOptic said: What did Arians do other than possibly end Palmer and Luck's careers at differnet ends of the spectrum? Did the Cardinals' 2015 season just not happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 https://clutchpoints.com/steelers-news-pittsburgh-prepared-to-name-randy-fichtner-as-todd-haleys-successor/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Are people really defending Todd Haley here? Dude's been carried by the talent in Pittsburgh for years. I know Pittsburgh's offense has performed well in recent years. Didn't think anyone actually thought that was because of Haley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeTheBallDeep Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Heard on Colin Cowherds show that Big Ben in his career is 18/19 on converting QB Sneaks for first downs but they haven't attempted one in the past 4 seasons? Not sure if this is accurate or not but found it interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jakuvious said: Are people really defending Todd Haley here? Dude's been carried by the talent in Pittsburgh for years. I know Pittsburgh's offense has performed well in recent years. Didn't think anyone actually thought that was because of Haley. he's not the only one that benefitted by the talent this team has. If for some reason of luck we get coaching that gets the most from the talent, I doubt we would see as many mock drafts and a 1 and done post season lets say Edited January 18, 2018 by 3rivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Thought Tomlin would go and Haley could replace him. Not sure I understand this move by Pittsburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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