solidvikingfan Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, byuvike88 said: At this point, I hope they sign Wisniewski and another guard. Wolfson had an attached comment in his Kline tweet that suggested we have been looking at him as well. Edited March 18, 2019 by solidvikingfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byuvike88 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, solidvikingfan said: Wolfson had an attached comment in his Kline tweet that suggested we have been looking at him as well. Yeah I saw that too. And he has flexibility at guard and center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolmonite26 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 41 minutes ago, vikestyle said: Rick Spielman started working with the Vikings in 2006. The Vikings have had 14 first round picks in his tenure. There have been 7 offensive picks and 7 defensive. Offense: AP- Great Pick Percy Harvin- Had a few good years Christian Ponder- Bust Matt Kalil- Bust Cordarrelle Patterson- Bust Teddy Bridgewater- Can't grade due to injury Laquon- Bust Defense: Greenway- great pick Harrison Smith- great pick Sharrif Floyd- can't grade due to injury Xavier Rhodes- great pick Anthony Barr- good pick Trae Waynes- good pick Hughes- too early to tell Throughout Spielmans tenure, we have "hit" on 5/6 if you count Floyd as a bust (and not counting Hughes yet). On offense we have hit on 2/7. I personally think this is a flawed way to view things. A pass/fail grade for something as dynamic as a player draft is highly reductive thinking and relies too much on results and not enough on process. For example: was Matt Kalil really a bad pick? Sure he was a bust and better players were certainly taken after him, but he checked every single box the Vikings were looking for at that time and was widely regarded as a top prospect. Conversely, was Anthony Barr a good pick? This one is a tougher analysis, but a good argument can be made that Donald should have been taken at 9, even knowing only what we knew then. A further example of how examining the process is more important is looking at the Teddy Bridgewater pick. You noted it as incomplete, yet imo it was a brilliant draft decision. The pick was made after acquiring additional ammo from trading pick 8 to 9, the team desperately needed a young QB and he was a guy they believed in so aggressively moving up for him was the right move; it just didn't work out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 With Easton off the market it is continually looking less likely that our current GM is going to be able to cobble anything respectable together on the offensive line before the draft. I am unwilling to wait any longer than that. There comes a point when a decision needs to be made by the guy above him. After the draft is the perfect time to change GMs. If the we make it to the draft and we don't look like we have an offensive line that has even a reasonable chance of being in the top 20 of the league I will no longer blame the GM for the failure. When the draft starts, I will be blaming the owner for continuing to employee what would be an obvious failure of a GM. The current GM has literally had years to work on the problem and looks completely incapable. I wholeheartedly disagree with his approach to solving the obvious problem. Ultimately, the GM is responsible for hiring the coaches too; if the coaches being unable to develop players is the problem the buck still stops with the GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, Cearbhall said: With Easton off the market it is continually looking less likely that our current GM is going to be able to cobble anything respectable together on the offensive line before the draft. I am unwilling to wait any longer than that. There comes a point when a decision needs to be made by the guy above him. After the draft is the perfect time to change GMs. If the we make it to the draft and we don't look like we have an offensive line that has even a reasonable chance of being in the top 20 of the league I will no longer blame the GM for the failure. When the draft starts, I will be blaming the owner for continuing to employee what would be an obvious failure of a GM. The current GM has literally had years to work on the problem and looks completely incapable. I wholeheartedly disagree with his approach to solving the obvious problem. Ultimately, the GM is responsible for hiring the coaches too; if the coaches being unable to develop players is the problem the buck still stops with the GM. This is a big statement after missing out on a guy that is coming off a herniated disk in his neck.... I do understand your point, but where do you find a capable GM this late in the process? We could say Paton, but he is also very involved in the process. If he is going to fail, let him fail with his mistakes, and let us sit back, and watch a rebuild. To be honest, there are better guard options still available then Easton in my opinion, but like I said, I understand where you are coming from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 15 teams have below average offensive lines. Spielman had “cobbled together” a roster that is considered to be one of the 4 or 5 best in the league. A large part of that is valuing talent where it should be valued. In the salary cap era, every team had weaknesses unless they have an all time great QB who is taking less than market value, or a QB on a rookie deal. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byuvike88 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Dolmonite26 said: But a 1st or 2nd rounder looks mighty nice, especially if he isnt a part of the team's future plans Oh I agree. But I think if teams were offering a 1st rounder he would've been traded by now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Not sure this has been posted but another lineman we at least have made contact with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Penguin Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 33 minutes ago, gopherwrestler said: Not sure this has been posted but another lineman we at least have made contact with This needs to happen, he can move around the interior. Then add to the O-line with 2 picks in the first 3 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byuvike88 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Viking Penguin said: This needs to happen, he can move around the interior. Then add to the O-line with 2 picks in the first 3 rounds. I would love to see 2 O lineman picked in the first 3 rounds, but I would also love to see a Tight end and a Wide Receiver. I really hope they can move back form 18 and pick up some more picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) $24 mil for a guy who was average, at best, when he played is a questionable move by itself. But that contract for a guy that has had back to back season ending injuries, to include a herniated disc in his neck? Looks like the Saints panicked after the Unger news. People would have been incensed if the news came out that the Vikings signed Easton to this contract. Everyone was looking at him as a 1-2 year guy for low money. A guy who may have been the favorite for the LG job, but who they expected to have some competition. Not get handed a starting job. Just for comparison: Nick Easton’s 2017 PFF grade was 41.5 at LG, while Tom Compton’s 2018 PFF grade was 60.6. A year ago many were calling for his replacement because he was the weakest point along the offensive line. Now people are upset. Too funny. Edited March 18, 2019 by SemperFeist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOTN-93 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 40 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: $24 mil for a guy who was average, at best, when he played is a questionable move by itself. But that contract for a guy that has had back to back season ending injuries, to include a herniated disc in his neck? Looks like the Saints panicked after the Unger news. People would have been incensed if the news came out that the Vikings signed Easton to this contract. Everyone was looking at him as a 1-2 year guy for low money. A guy who may have been the favorite for the LG job, but who they expected to have some competition. Not get handed a starting job. A year ago many were calling for his replacement because he was the weakest point along the offensive line. Now people are upset. Too funny. This I get the frustration but why bid into cap hell. I nearly spit my soda when i saw Eastons deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I honestly don't see a reason to panic. OL was slim pickings this entire FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikestyle Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Dolmonite26 said: I personally think this is a flawed way to view things. A pass/fail grade for something as dynamic as a player draft is highly reductive thinking and relies too much on results and not enough on process. For example: was Matt Kalil really a bad pick? Sure he was a bust and better players were certainly taken after him, but he checked every single box the Vikings were looking for at that time and was widely regarded as a top prospect. Conversely, was Anthony Barr a good pick? This one is a tougher analysis, but a good argument can be made that Donald should have been taken at 9, even knowing only what we knew then. A further example of how examining the process is more important is looking at the Teddy Bridgewater pick. You noted it as incomplete, yet imo it was a brilliant draft decision. The pick was made after acquiring additional ammo from trading pick 8 to 9, the team desperately needed a young QB and he was a guy they believed in so aggressively moving up for him was the right move; it just didn't work out. Yeah this wasn't meant to be an indictment on Spielman, I just couldn't remember the last time we drafted an offensive player in the first that lived up to their draft status. Could easily be coaching that came up short, or maybe they missed something in the pre-draft process that could have indicated these guys would bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) I think the Vikings could re-sign Tom Compton, or even Brett Jones, and be in the same boat as if they would have re-signed Easton. Edited March 18, 2019 by SemperFeist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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