JDBrocks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, swede700 said: The defense wasn't utilized well last year, but it made more than a significant number of stops in the final few minutes of the games that resulted in wins when they probably shouldn't have. I'm very skeptical that they could duplicate it again if needed, especially when the talent has decreased. Those stops were more luck/coincidence than intentional, I think - they shouldn't need to duplicate it. I'm willing to bet that there are fewer times that the defense/team is in a position to need those kinds of miracle plays this year if the scheme works better. Outside of Peterson, I'm not so sure that there's been a significant loss of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad People Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 45 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: Outside of Peterson, I'm not so sure that there's been a significant loss of talent. I kinda agree with this as well. Maybe Tomlinson but for the most part we got rid of expensive aging players. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 58 minutes ago, Sad People said: I kinda agree with this as well. Maybe Tomlinson but for the most part we got rid of expensive aging players. Even if they were "expensive", they provided more talent and better play than what they've been replaced with, thus far. For all the talent that Davenport has, he's never really delivered on it and he's in a new defensive scheme...and there's no way that anyone can convince me that retaining Hicks over Kendricks is an upgrade. Also Dean Lowry is not a clear upgrade from Tomlinson. Maybe after the draft I'll feel differently, but as far as talent, at least IMO, they've clearly taken a step back. They may prove to be better fits in the defense than what the previous players did, but as of now, we clearly don't know that...and I hesitate to think that they will, at least this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Back row, dead center is our guy... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, swede700 said: Back row, dead center is our guy... And then KAM is in the back for the GM pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Schatz doesn't care for the Vikings' moves...but still likes them better than the Packers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, swede700 said: Even if they were "expensive", they provided more talent and better play than what they've been replaced with, thus far. For all the talent that Davenport has, he's never really delivered on it and he's in a new defensive scheme...and there's no way that anyone can convince me that retaining Hicks over Kendricks is an upgrade. Also Dean Lowry is not a clear upgrade from Tomlinson. Maybe after the draft I'll feel differently, but as far as talent, at least IMO, they've clearly taken a step back. They may prove to be better fits in the defense than what the previous players did, but as of now, we clearly don't know that...and I hesitate to think that they will, at least this year. Lowry+Davenport in this scheme should provide more than Tomlinson - and that's coming from someone that has argued in favor of keeping Tomlinson all offseason. No matter how many times you argue against it, Kendricks was an expensive and declining player that didn't fit the defense that Flores has run. He was bad last year, period. It wasn't going to be better in this defense, either. Hicks is going to be asked to play at the LOS, where he was actually pretty good last year - much better than Kendricks. They are banking on Asamoah stepping up and being what Kendricks used to be. Hicks isn't a Kendricks replacement, so that's not even a real argument. There's no way that this defense is worse than they were last year. No chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, JDBrocks said: There's no way that this defense is worse than they were last year. No chance. We'll see, but I don't think it'll be significantly better either. We'll have to see how it shakes out, but just the thought of having a more aggressive defense scares the daylights out of me when it comes to the DBs playing man coverage, as I see a lot more big plays against them. I think it'll be better over the long-run...but next year, my hopes are not that high. Edited March 27, 2023 by swede700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) I think Goessling meant to write $8.65 over 3 years. Edited March 28, 2023 by SemperFeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, SemperFeist said: I think Goessling meant to write $8.65 over 3 years. So did I read somewhere is about a $1M cap relief this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, gopherwrestler said: So did I read somewhere is about a $1M cap relief this year? Yes. His cap his dropped from ~$3.8M to ~$2.7M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 So what is going to happen with Dalvin Cook and Z. Smith? Vikings really need to crap or get off the pot, trade them, cut them or do whatever... What would they gain by it outside of money and not having to pay the contract. What draft picks, doubt they would gain a legit vet in the trade but that would be nice. I think they could draft a damn good RB in this draft class no question and have already kind of replaced Z. Smith with Davenport anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ozzy said: So what is going to happen with Dalvin Cook and Z. Smith? Vikings really need to crap or get off the pot, trade them, cut them or do whatever... What would they gain by it outside of money and not having to pay the contract. What draft picks, doubt they would gain a legit vet in the trade but that would be nice. I think they could draft a damn good RB in this draft class no question and have already kind of replaced Z. Smith with Davenport anyway. They aren't going to trade Cook until he can pass a physical after his surgery, otherwise the trade won't go through. I don't think they will trade Smith unless it's part of a big move - potentially as part of a move up for a player in the draft. I also think the Vikings are content to use Mattison, Chandler, and Nwangwu in the backfield this year and will spend money and resources elsewhere. Edited March 28, 2023 by JDBrocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ozzy said: So what is going to happen with Dalvin Cook and Z. Smith? Vikings really need to crap or get off the pot, trade them, cut them or do whatever... What would they gain by it outside of money and not having to pay the contract. What draft picks, doubt they would gain a legit vet in the trade but that would be nice. I think they could draft a damn good RB in this draft class no question and have already kind of replaced Z. Smith with Davenport anyway. So, right now, they are around 1.6M under the cap. They will need to be more, to make more moves, sign draft class, etc. I think both are personally traded. I think this happens closer, or during the draft. If you trade both, your cap space jumps to 21M. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, JDBrocks said: I also think the Vikings are content to use Mattison, Chandler, and Nwangwu in the backfield this year and will spend money and resources elsewhere. This. With so few draft picks heading into the draft I can't see them burning one on a RB. Trades could obviously change that. If anything I think they'll dip into the UDFA pool for RB4. They're more or less committed to Mattison as RB1 for the next 2 seasons. 2023: Mattison, Chandler (year 2), Kene (year 3), UDFA, or veteran FA. 2024: Mattison, Chandler (year 3), Kene (year 4 - UFA), draft pick, UDFA, or veteran FA. 2025: Chandler (year 4 - UFA), ??? Edited March 29, 2023 by VikeManDan Added year 4 for Chandler in 2025. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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