How does this SB effect Tom Brady's status of all time?

[Nabbs4u]

As I stated in another thread weeks ago it doesn't changes his status one bit. Win or Lose.

He's still the GOAT of QB's

There's no a single valid argument against him. Not one. Anyone suggesting Montana being 4-0 need to understand "He didn't" have 4 more SB opportunities to prove he'd stay undefeated. So pointing to a 5-3 record as a argument against, is asinine.

His Playoff numbers won't be duplicated ever again. Better chance of Some WR catching Rice or a Player catching the Ironman streak which neither of them will happen either. That's how impressive his Overall Resume is!

Scary that hes still not done either

GOAT!

[Small Town Values]

He was already considered by the vast majority to be the GOAT QB prior to SBLII. Overall, he had an excellent season, & added another MVP to his legacy. 

And, by all accounts he played a great game, & put up impressive stats. (Even though I haven't watched the game yet... LOL)

 

[ET80]

6 hours ago, 7DnBrnc53 said:

Gronkowski says hi.

Well, tell him I said "sup" and "say bruh, you would have been blown out  had Brady not played."

You really think Brian Hoyer would have fared just as well against the 4th ranked defense in the NFL? The Eagles D looked bad - partly because Brady MADE them look bad. This is the same defense that locked down last years' MVP and this years' overnight star in Case Keenum.

Nobody else throws for 300/2 on this D. Brady added an extra 200/1 to that figure.

[tom cody]

Option 3. He's still the best ever but I think that his loss on Sunday may lead to him possibly retiring sooner rather than later. Don't think Brady's going to be someone who's going to hurt his legacy by chasing Super Bowls. He has 5 now- most ever for any QB I believe.

[The Third Rider]

23 minutes ago, tom cody said:

Option 3. He's still the best ever but I think that his loss on Sunday may lead to him possibly retiring sooner rather than later. Don't think Brady's going to be someone who's going to hurt his legacy by chasing Super Bowls. He has 5 now- most ever for any QB I believe.

How does chasing Super Bowls hurt your legacy? Isn’t that the ultimate goal? Super Bowls are not about win percentage it’s about how many you have.

[Mossburg]

He did more than enough to win if other people did their jobs. At worst it did nothing bad, but IMO it only added to his legacy.

[7DnBrnc53]

2 hours ago, EliteTexan80 said:

Well, tell him I said "sup" and "say bruh, you would have been blown out  had Brady not played."

You really think Brian Hoyer would have fared just as well against the 4th ranked defense in the NFL? The Eagles D looked bad - partly because Brady MADE them look bad. This is the same defense that locked down last years' MVP and this years' overnight star in Case Keenum.

Nobody else throws for 300/2 on this D. Brady added an extra 200/1 to that figure.

I didn't say Hoyer would play better. I just said that the Pats didn't get really hot in that game until they started going to Gronk.

[john305]

2 hours ago, EliteTexan80 said:

Well, tell him I said "sup" and "say bruh, you would have been blown out  had Brady not played."

You really think Brian Hoyer would have fared just as well against the 4th ranked defense in the NFL? The Eagles D looked bad - partly because Brady MADE them look bad. This is the same defense that locked down last years' MVP and this years' overnight star in Case Keenum.

Nobody else throws for 300/2 on this D. Brady added an extra 200/1 to that figure.

 

Didn't Nick Foles tear apart the 5th ranked defense? a backup QB who besides one spectacular year has been fairly mediocre and was contemplating retirement. Nobody was lining up to offer him a starting job, same as Hoyer. If a guy who's been on 3 teams the last 3 years could tear apart a top D why not a guy who's been on 4 teams in 3 years?

[RuskieTitan]

Honestly Tom Brady's career is starting to resemble Emmitt Smith's. Both benefited from longevity, Brady has appeared in a ton of Super Bowls... but being 5-3 and very close to 4-4... I just feel like you have to give more credit to BB for so many appearances compared to Brady's natural abilities, especially early on. I have no problem calling Brady the GOAT, but if someone wants to argue that another quarterback was flat-out better when you strip away team accolades, I could def see that. Just like how Emmitt Smith has a lot of records but at the end of the day you'd be hard pressed to actually claim him the best ever.

[Kiwibrown]

What would be interesting is if he plays on another Super Bowl and plays poorly. 

 

I dont think he is nearly as good a player as he once was. I think he is the best at reading the files still but his arm is off imo.

[lancerman]

2 hours ago, RuskieTitan said:

Honestly Tom Brady's career is starting to resemble Emmitt Smith's. Both benefited from longevity, Brady has appeared in a ton of Super Bowls... but being 5-3 and very close to 4-4... I just feel like you have to give more credit to BB for so many appearances compared to Brady's natural abilities, especially early on. I have no problem calling Brady the GOAT, but if someone wants to argue that another quarterback was flat-out better when you strip away team accolades, I could def see that. Just like how Emmitt Smith has a lot of records but at the end of the day you'd be hard pressed to actually claim him the best ever.

I mean I would highly argue that last night made a lot of people think Brady was more responsible to Belichick. Brady did enough where he probably had one of the best Super Bowl performances ever in a losing effort. Belichick's defense lost them that game more than anything on the Patriots end.

[RuskieTitan]

6 minutes ago, lancerman said:

I mean I would highly argue that last night made a lot of people think Brady was more responsible to Belichick. Brady did enough where he probably had one of the best Super Bowl performances ever in a losing effort. Belichick's defense lost them that game more than anything on the Patriots end.

Last night yeah, Brady balled out and that defense let him down. But when you examine his overall career in the Super Bowls...

Super Bowl

				Passing[297]								Rushing				Result	Record
Year	SB	Team	Opp	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	TD	Int	Rtg	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Final score	W–L
2001	XXXVI	NE	STL	16	27	59.3	145	5.4	1	0	86.2	1	3	3.0	0	W 20–17	1–0
2003	XXXVIII	NE	CAR	32	48	66.7	354	7.4	3	1	100.5	2	12	6.0	0	W 32–29	1–0
2004	XXXIX	NE	PHI	23	33	69.7	236	7.2	2	0	110.2	1	−1	−1.0	0	W 24–21	1–0
2007	XLII	NE	NYG	29	48	60.4	266	5.5	1	0	82.5	0	0	0	0	L 17–14	0–1
2011	XLVI	NE	NYG	27	41	65.9	276	6.7	2	1	91.5	0	0	0	0	L 21–17	0–1
2014	XLIX	NE	SEA	37	50	74.0	328	6.6	4	2	101.1	2	−3	−1.5	0	W 28–24	1–0
2016	LI	NE	ATL	43	62	69.4	466	7.5	2	1	95.2	1	15	15.0	0	W 34–28 (OT)	1–0
2017	LII	NE	PHI	28	48	58.3	505	10.5	3	0	115.4	1	6	6.0	0	L 41–33	0–1
Career	8			235	357	65.8	2,576	7.2	18	5	98.0	8	32	4.0	0		5–3

 

That first one against St. Louis, 145 yards really?
The two Giants losses where they got 14 and 17 points?
Carolina was bailed out by a kickoff out of bounds and Vinatieri being clutch?
Seattle throwing the ball on the goal line?

I mean yes, he's won 5 Super Bowls... but really, the last two times, against the Falcons and this second Eagles, were the only ones where he truly dominated during the game. And yes he contributed a lot in the other ones to help his team win, but at the same time he's been someone who is very fortunate how the late game breaks have gone.

 

 

 

[RuskieTitan]

For me I basically had Peyton Manning ahead of Tom Brady for most of their careers, but that comeback against Atlanta pushed Brady past him IMO.

But if someone wants to give the edge to Joe Montana over Brady, I can't really argue against that. And had a few breaks that went in their favor (Carolina kickoff OOB, Seattle passing, Atlanta going full retard), we could be looking at an entirely different Brady, one who got to the finale but couldn't seal the deal more often than not.

[lancerman]

2 minutes ago, RuskieTitan said:

Last night yeah, Brady balled out and that defense let him down. But when you examine his overall career in the Super Bowls...

Super Bowl

				Passing[297]								Rushing				Result	Record
Year	SB	Team	Opp	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	TD	Int	Rtg	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Final score	W–L
2001	XXXVI	NE	STL	16	27	59.3	145	5.4	1	0	86.2	1	3	3.0	0	W 20–17	1–0
2003	XXXVIII	NE	CAR	32	48	66.7	354	7.4	3	1	100.5	2	12	6.0	0	W 32–29	1–0
2004	XXXIX	NE	PHI	23	33	69.7	236	7.2	2	0	110.2	1	−1	−1.0	0	W 24–21	1–0
2007	XLII	NE	NYG	29	48	60.4	266	5.5	1	0	82.5	0	0	0	0	L 17–14	0–1
2011	XLVI	NE	NYG	27	41	65.9	276	6.7	2	1	91.5	0	0	0	0	L 21–17	0–1
2014	XLIX	NE	SEA	37	50	74.0	328	6.6	4	2	101.1	2	−3	−1.5	0	W 28–24	1–0
2016	LI	NE	ATL	43	62	69.4	466	7.5	2	1	95.2	1	15	15.0	0	W 34–28 (OT)	1–0
2017	LII	NE	PHI	28	48	58.3	505	10.5	3	0	115.4	1	6	6.0	0	L 41–33	0–1
Career	8			235	357	65.8	2,576	7.2	18	5	98.0	8	32	4.0	0		5–3

 

That first one against St. Louis, 145 yards really?
The two Giants losses where they got 14 and 17 points?
Carolina was bailed out by a kickoff out of bounds and Vinatieri being clutch?
Seattle throwing the ball on the goal line?

I mean yes, he's won 5 Super Bowls... but really, the last two times, against the Falcons and this second Eagles, were the only ones where he truly dominated during the game. And yes he contributed a lot in the other ones to help his team win, but at the same time he's been someone who is very fortunate how the late game breaks have gone.

 

 

 

This is where we differ. 

The Seattle one, Brady had to make a huge comeback and the only reason it got to the goal line was because one of the best defenses in the league let a rather pedestrian offense march their in a minute. 

The Carolina game, Brady got a lead in the 4th quarter TWICE and the defense gave it up on the next drive. 

Those aren't really the games to give Belichick the credit over Brady. If anything, without Brady the Seattle game quickly becomes one sided and the Carolina game has a different outcome. 

The Falcons game was bad on both their parts in the first half and superb on both their parts in the second half. 

I'll give you the Rams the game because Brady was in his first year as a starter there.... but lets be honest, Belichick defense gave up 14 points in the 4th to make that game in doubt and Brady did need to put it away at the end. So you can't completely discount him there. 

Same with the Giants. Brady didn't have the best night in 2007 by any stretch. But he put the greatest defensive coach in NFL history in a position where he needed one stop. When the game was on the line Brady got the go ahead score. 

I mean some of those late game breaks that went his way were failures of the defense that they got lucky that it didn't end up impacting the outcome.

[JiffyJag]

when getting to the super bowl and throwing for 500 yards is deemed to hurt your career by some people, you're probably the greatest of all time

 

 

Tom Brady is, indeed, still the GOAT.