BroncoBruin Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Broncofan said: The new TV deal money is showing how much of a bargain extensions done even 3-4 months ago will look going forward. Remember when ppl suggested Von wasn’t worth 16M (the amount saved under discussion) and saying he should agree to a pay cut? TJ Watt is a far better player to invest in because of the stage of career he’s at - but 4/112M and 3/80 fully guaranteed, easy to see why Miller’s camp told Paton to pound sand and Paton rightfully acquiesced. The new pay scale of top pass rushers getting over 25-28M is the new standard We are already seeing 35-40M as the QB extension bar (which you pay for elite guys like Mahomes & Allen - not guys like Baker but that’s the bar). And likely only going to go up with the increasing revenues from the 2022 TV deals. The crazy part? Watt likely left money on the table. The next couple of offseasons are going to be eye opening for what constitutes market value for top players. They’ve got tough decisions to make with the edge rushers. What is the ceiling for your offer to Bradley Chubb, a very good and Pro Bowl caliber but not elite edge defender? And Von to me looks like he could play at a high level into his mid 30s like a lot of elite HOF pass rushers have in the past. I actually have more faith in Von to produce and stay healthy over the next couple years than Chubb. He’s one of the greatest ever. Edited September 14, 2021 by BroncoBruin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said: They’ve got tough decisions to make with the edge rushers. What is the ceiling for your offer to Bradley Chubb, a very good and Pro Bowl caliber but not elite edge defender? And Von to me looks like he could play at a high level into his mid 30s like a lot of elite HOF pass rushers have in the past. I actually have more faith in Von to produce and stay healthy over the next couple years than Chubb. He’s one of the greatest ever. We've got Chubb pretty cheap for two more seasons. I'm curious about what happens with Von this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I wonder how long it's been since all 4 teams in the AFCW won their openers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, BroncoBruin said: They’ve got tough decisions to make with the edge rushers. What is the ceiling for your offer to Bradley Chubb, a very good and Pro Bowl caliber but not elite edge defender? And Von to me looks like he could play at a high level into his mid 30s like a lot of elite HOF pass rushers have in the past. I actually have more faith in Von to produce and stay healthy over the next couple years than Chubb. He’s one of the greatest ever. Yeah I'm totally fine with making Chubb prove that he can be the alpha. Nothing he's done so far says he'd thrive in the same role. Since we don't have to decide, that's not a decision we need to pursue heavily at this stage. As the new TV $ news is known, there's no value in trying to get a substantial discount, and Chubb would want to be paid elite pass rusher $ to give away his FA years so early. That's not a smart move on our part - paying non-elite players elite $ rarely works out. Until Chubb shows he has that elite-level ability, no reason but to just play out the string there. Edited September 14, 2021 by Broncofan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 On 9/13/2021 at 11:34 PM, AKRNA said: We've got Chubb pretty cheap for two more seasons. I'm curious about what happens with Von this year. I think Von will be gone. Paton wanted him to take a pay cut, he refused and said “honor my contract or cut me” and Paton opted for the latter, in part, from what reporting has said because a) Elway wanted Von retained and b) Paton didn’t want the PR hit of cutting the team’s most popular and recognizable player. I’d be shocked if Paton brings Von back next year absent Von having a 2015-like season. We don’t need Von at $20m when for the same money Paton can sign 3 or 4 Minnesota castoffs who help us achieve the goal of playing meaningful football in November and December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizmo78 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Zach Wilson now with 4ints... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutler06 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 While the schedule is very favorable to us, seems the injury bug is taking a bite out of us again this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I got a bad case of the winds right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-mac Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 We could have an issue if Bridgewater continues to play at a high level. He and Von are both UFAs after the season and we can only tag one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 I wonder how well Fields will survive the season. Through 37 minutes he's already been sacked 6 times, hit another 11, and generated 32 yds of total offense. Welcome to the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan07 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Nagy is a terrible coach and has been for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 21 hours ago, broncosfan07 said: Nagy is a terrible coach and has been for awhile. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, broncosfan07 said: Nagy is a terrible coach and has been for awhile. 3 minutes ago, champ11 said: lol Imagine you drafted Fields since May, know he's going to be your starting QB eventually, you know his skill set, the OL problems, and THIS is the gameplan you've spent all summer developing: Nothing that leverages Fields' best skills, nothing that gives him more time to process, and nothing presnap to help him make reads vs. NFL D's. Just embarrassingly HS-level simpleton game planning. Nagy had a great rookie season as HC. But much like Chip Kelly, once the D's figured out his first ideas - he's come up with nothing. Outside of Gase last year, he might very well have been the worst game-planning and play-calling HC around. And that's saying something. Edited September 27, 2021 by Broncofan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted September 27, 2021 Author Share Posted September 27, 2021 21 hours ago, broncosfan07 said: Nagy is a terrible coach and has been for awhile. Agreed. And the Andy Reid tree is laden with successful coaches as well. The Bears are my second team and I liked the hire when it was made. Some of the blame as well does fall on GM Ryan Pace's shoulders, however, as he ignored the OL for so long and now he might potentially ruin a potential franchise QB because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizmo78 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Any news on Agim?... Haven't seen him on the injury report (although it started with a groin injury about a month ago). Been inactive every game so far after a promising camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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