William Lee Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 On 1/30/2019 at 6:31 AM, sryan66611 said: Ok since this one is final and we got the answer lets move on the next one... Who is more responsible for the success of the offense Josh McDaniels/Coaching or Brady Belichick almost never talk to his offense during the games. Coaches never make good QB. A good coach knows how to use the talents of his QB. Belichick and McDaniels didnt recruite players like James White until AFTER 2014 SB when they saw the emergence of Julian Edelmen, who was not drafted as a receiver. If they had done it in 2007, Pats would have won at least 2 more SB. It is ridiculous that some fans think Pats offense has been like it is now since the very beginning. Brady won 5 SB with dink n dunk. When Brady didn't play dink n dunk, he always struggled to score 20+ pts against good defense (including the AFCCG agaisnt Jags), and it is obvious that Belichick has always tried to change it to vertical offense. BTW, two important issues about QB positions : 1. EASY PASS DOESN'T MEAN EASY SCORE. In the opening drive against Chiefs, it took SIX first downs to move 70 yds; in the winning drive in OT, it took FIVE first downs to move 65 yds. Any failure of one of the down would mean no TD at least; any penalty may kill a drive. 2.Coach can design a good play, it doesn't mean that QB can execute it. To blame poor plays by QB on coaches is like saying if I can remember 5000 French words, then I can speak fluent french. When an offense has been 1-dimensional for long time, it is QB's fault, not coach's fault, like Dan Marino under Don Shula and Jimmy Johnson. The biggest problem is always if QB can execute. If good designs had led to executions automatically, every team would have hired 50 OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizofoz45 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Sad to see so many votes for Bill. Wow. People here seem like they watch pro football but now I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamity_Cometh Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I've been skimming over this thread since it began wondering to myself what the answer to this question is. To me, it's Brady. In my extremely uninformed opinion. And that is not a slight on Belichick. I just wonder, do I want the coach or the quarterback? And Brady is just so far ahead of his peers at a position that is by nature so impactful, that I have to go with him. There are a million examples but recently, I think about both games he played against the Chiefs this year. There was too much time.This ties into the Godmode Brady thread. He is just too damn clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 The answer here is Bellichick easily. Brady was a sixth round pick, and he would of performed like a sixth round pick in any other system. I do think Brady would be Brady on any team in the league now, but certainly not back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isherwood Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Bill is still a top 5 coach ever, but it’s Brady. You watch him and he doesn’t do anything breathtaking, BUT he almost always does exactly the right thing. He takes the easy pass any time it’s there. He takes his chances at the right time and when the odds are in his favor. He can make any throw on the field, but he’s almost robotic in the way that he always picks the high percentage option. Note: that doesn’t mean it’s just a dump off or check down, I’m not trying to knock him here. It can be 10 yards, 20 yards downfield - he takes it and hits it. He gets the ball out in an insanely short time. If it’s not there, it’s not there and he lives for the next play. He’s insanely efficient in ways that you just can’t coach. The best coach in the world can’t get into a QBs head and wire it to always make the good decision, the way Brady does. And then to turn that computation into the perfect pass 75% of the time? It’s insane. He’s a machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 This thread looks even sillier than it did a few months ago. It's ok to acknowledge that both are the GOATS without it being a slight to Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 The pendulum swings back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKSteeler Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, Starless said: The pendulum swings back. It was always Bill. People who aren't teenagers might remember him using a duct tape secondary and shutting down the best offenses in the league on his way to winning rings. Starting guys off the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 It's 4-2 for Bill, how many QBs would have won a game when the other team score 3 pts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plat2 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 BB made McVay look like an amateur on this one...this strikes a point for Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I say Bill, just because as far as I’m concerned we have seen a handful of QBs in the same stratosphere as Brady. Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, and we’ve seen how little success, relatively speaking, they’ve had compared to Pats. With a coach it’s harder to quantify their ability, all we have is resume. I’m left to just assume Bill IS that far ahead of his peers since IMO Brady is not. Either way, to have this kind of dynasty takes a HOF QB, HC and GM, minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverine_Joe Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 both are equally important, but pats don't even get to the SB if brady doesn't deliver in the 4th qtr and OT against the chiefs. players do have to execute and make the plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKS97 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Belichick. Derek Carr or Kirk Cousins could have made those throws against the Chiefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 It's weird because the start and finish has seemed to be all Bill and the middle was largely Brady. I don't think it was a coincidence they didn't win a Super Bowl for a decade. They've been their best teams when they could play D, control the clock and methodically take away their opponents strengths. Feel like the 3 games they lost they were comin in hot and choke in two and weren't good enough in the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomyyo Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Brady's buy in and willingness for BB to ride him so hard at practice and meetings is a huge reason why BB can demand so much of the team. I wonder if he would have worn out his welcome without Brady's humility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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