SirA1 Posted August 4, 2019 Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 @Jlash @BringinDaPain @MD4L @pheltzbahr @PR @WFLukic @RuskieTitan @bcb1213 @Counselor @SwoleXmad @Hockey5djh @TedLavie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted August 4, 2019 Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) On 8/3/2019 at 5:31 PM, SirA1 said: Topic 6 - 5th Year Options - Mirror 3 Ups in timing and value.Currently this. 5th Year Options (all year long) Option 1 - If a real life NFL 1st round player is tendered their 5th year option a team can match it at 100% without using one of their 3 Ups for the year if the player is a BDL UFA. Option 2 - If a team wants the can average the higher of BDL players Salary or their NFL Rookie Average with the total of the 5th year option and spread it over 2 years to satisfy the 5th year contract. This has confused a lot of owners as well, as to the timing and value. Mostly it’s used by owners to save money on the back end and to get around having to free 3 up a player at 100%. The change I propose is to remove Option 2 and just make the 5th year Option value 75% instead of 100%. This still gives you savings but it’s easier to implement. I would be fine with a rider with a contract matching option like 1 year 3 ups now have. This would compensate for originally giving up the 5th year you used to get from the BDL draft on BDL 1st rounders. Yes (8) - Whicker, Wwhickok, SirA, JLash, RuskieTitan, PRm SwoleXmad, Hockey No (2) - Ragnarok, MD4L Edited August 6, 2019 by SirA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Yes to 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, SirA1 said: On 8/3/2019 at 2:31 PM, SirA1 said: Topic 6 - 5th Year Options - Mirror 3 Ups in timing and value.Currently this. 5th Year Options (all year long) Option 1 - If a real life NFL 1st round player is tendered their 5th year option a team can match it at 100% without using one of their 3 Ups for the year if the player is a BDL UFA. Option 2 - If a team wants the can average the higher of BDL players Salary or their NFL Rookie Average with the total of the 5th year option and spread it over 2 years to satisfy the 5th year contract. This has confused a lot of owners as well, as to the timing and value. Mostly it’s used by owners to save money on the back end and to get around having to free 3 up a player at 100%. The change I propose is to remove Option 2 and just make the 5th year Option value 75% instead of 100%. This still gives you savings but it’s easier to implement. I would be fine with a rider with a contract matching option like 1 year 3 ups now have. This would compensate for originally giving up the 5th year you used to get from the BDL draft on BDL 1st rounders. Yes (4) - Whicker, Wwhickok, SirA, JLash No (2) - Ragnarok, MD4L Yes to 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PR Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I'm being a cheapskate. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 yes to 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 On 8/3/2019 at 1:22 PM, SirA1 said: Topic 6 - 5th Year Options - Mirror 3 Ups in timing and value.Currently this. 5th Year Options (all year long) Option 1 - If a real life NFL 1st round player is tendered their 5th year option a team can match it at 100% without using one of their 3 Ups for the year if the player is a BDL UFA. Option 2 - If a team wants the can average the higher of BDL players Salary or their NFL Rookie Average with the total of the 5th year option and spread it over 2 years to satisfy the 5th year contract. This has confused a lot of owners as well, as to the timing and value. Mostly it’s used by owners to save money on the back end and to get around having to free 3 up a player at 100%. The change I propose is to remove Option 2 and just make the 5th year Option value 75% instead of 100%. This still gives you savings but it’s easier to implement. I would be fine with a rider with a contract matching option like 1 year 3 ups now have. This would compensate for originally giving up the 5th year you used to get from the BDL draft on BDL 1st rounders. On 8/3/2019 at 1:29 PM, SirA1 said: Topic 6 basically gets rid of one of the oddest rules for people to understand as well with the phrase higher of BDL Salary or NFL Rookie Average. You will know well ahead of time which players have 5th year options and be able to get them at the same discount as a 3 Up without using a 3 up that year. I got this idea from when Footsy 3 Upped his 5th year option player in 2018. It seemed to work out well. I would like this to work exactly a 1 year 3 up like the franchise tag. Basically you can choose to extend the contract if the player signs a new deal that same year but aren't required to. Again going forward BDL Rookies are only going to have 4 year deals. So this would also compensate a little bit of the loss from having those first round 5 year deals originally. I'm leaning towards a no. I'm all for simplification but i'm also with Rags on rewarding owners who draft well. Option 2 gives owners a discount on players who were drafted later that ended up in the IRL first round. Also, if the "5th year option" isn't technically using one of your "3up"s, would you have to use a 3up to convert the contract under this new proposal? I feel like the intention here is good but I think maybe just a wording change would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Hockey5djh said: I'm leaning towards a no. I'm all for simplification but i'm also with Rags on rewarding owners who draft well. Option 2 gives owners a discount on players who were drafted later that ended up in the IRL first round. Also, if the "5th year option" isn't technically using one of your "3up"s, would you have to use a 3up to convert the contract under this new proposal? I feel like the intention here is good but I think maybe just a wording change would help. No it doesn't. If you drafted them later they are on a three year contract and you probably erfa them through their fifth year option 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, bcb1213 said: No it doesn't. If you drafted them later they are on a three year contract and you probably erfa them through their fifth year option Crap, I forgot we shortened those contracts to 3 years. Still need an answer on this part though: Quote Also, if the "5th year option" isn't technically using one of your "3up"s, would you have to use a 3up to convert the contract under this new proposal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted August 5, 2019 Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 5th year options have never taken one of your 3 ups to use and still wouldn't. They would have the same designation as now "5th year option" but you would get all the benefits of a 3 up to make all resignings line up the same. So there is only one way to do a contract and not rules for each different type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I don't know why i'm complicating this. Proposal: 5th year option = 75% one year. Yes to topic 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 11 hours ago, bcb1213 said: No it doesn't. If you drafted them later they are on a three year contract and you probably erfa them through their fifth year option Voting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, SirA1 said: Voting? I don't really have a preference either way. Both are fine IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) On 8/4/2019 at 7:04 PM, SirA1 said: On 8/3/2019 at 5:31 PM, SirA1 said: Topic 6 - 5th Year Options - Mirror 3 Ups in timing and value.Currently this. 5th Year Options (all year long) Option 1 - If a real life NFL 1st round player is tendered their 5th year option a team can match it at 100% without using one of their 3 Ups for the year if the player is a BDL UFA. Option 2 - If a team wants the can average the higher of BDL players Salary or their NFL Rookie Average with the total of the 5th year option and spread it over 2 years to satisfy the 5th year contract. This has confused a lot of owners as well, as to the timing and value. Mostly it’s used by owners to save money on the back end and to get around having to free 3 up a player at 100%. The change I propose is to remove Option 2 and just make the 5th year Option value 75% instead of 100%. This still gives you savings but it’s easier to implement. I would be fine with a rider with a contract matching option like 1 year 3 ups now have. This would compensate for originally giving up the 5th year you used to get from the BDL draft on BDL 1st rounders. Yes (8) - Whicker, Wwhickok, SirA, JLash, RuskieTitan, PR SwoleXmad, Hockey No (3) - Ragnarok, MD4L, TedLavie Edited 24 minutes ago by SirA1 @pheltzbahr @BringinDaPain @WFLukic Edited August 6, 2019 by SirA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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