Mega Ron Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I think we should trade for Gardner Minshew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mega Ron said: I think we should trade for Gardner Minshew He would take maybe a first rounder or more at this point so no. Tayne had him in many mocks last year 😭😭😭. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrownsman Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Kiwibrown said: Yeah, I read an interesting article that talked about how Kitchens was pretty stubborn and didn't accept help from the analytics team that was telling him we are better in 12 and 21 formations. Yet we used 11 more than anyone trying to shove that 3rd wide receiver in there. This is just another example of it. We were successful at something, and so we didn't use it. I didn't hate freddie as a head coach (though it was clear he didn't have any idea what he was doing), I did HATE him as an Offensive Coordinator though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Ron Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: He would take maybe a first rounder or more at this point so no. Tayne had him in many mocks last year 😭😭😭. Straight swap. Mayfield and OBJ for Minshew and Chark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, CBrownsman said: Yeah, I read an interesting article that talked about how Kitchens was pretty stubborn and didn't accept help from the analytics team that was telling him we are better in 12 and 21 formations. Yet we used 11 more than anyone trying to shove that 3rd wide receiver in there. This is just another example of it. We were successful at something, and so we didn't use it. I didn't hate freddie as a head coach (though it was clear he didn't have any idea what he was doing), I did HATE him as an Offensive Coordinator though... nerds and their computers smh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, CBrownsman said: Yeah, I read an interesting article that talked about how Kitchens was pretty stubborn and didn't accept help from the analytics team that was telling him we are better in 12 and 21 formations. Yet we used 11 more than anyone trying to shove that 3rd wide receiver in there. This is just another example of it. We were successful at something, and so we didn't use it. I didn't hate freddie as a head coach (though it was clear he didn't have any idea what he was doing), I did HATE him as an Offensive Coordinator though... He once said "I don't read statistics...ever" I mean, their is taking things with a grain of salt, and then their is being willfully ignorant. Freddie was the later. I think he has potential to be a good coordinator, his play calling last year was pretty solid, this year he regressed as a play caller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Who's ready for the Baker DocuSeries with a camera crew following his QB preparation for next year. Much like his DocuSeries headed into the his year's draft, but this time it will be sponsored by Progressive and Holiday Inn Express. Oddly enough, the docuseries featured him running on the beach. Maybe he can bring a QB trainer there this time. Edited January 3, 2020 by Mind Character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, Mega Ron said: Straight swap. Mega Ron for Cheddy This? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, Mind Character said: Who's ready for the Baker DocuSeries with a camera crew following his QB preparation for next year. Much like his DocuSeries headed into the his year's draft, but this time it will be sponsored by Progressive and Holiday Inn Express. Oddly enough, the docuseries featured him running on the beach. Maybe he can bring a QB trainer there this time. 2-10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, mistakey said: yes ANDthats not using analytics thats why dorsey and kitchens got fired. This. THAT is analytics, not “a goddam computer doin’ tha draftin’”. It’s gathering data to show efficiency and inefficiencies. Only a damned moron wouldn’t apply the data or see its value. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 yeah the more that comes out about freddie the more i realize i let the allure of the sweet sweet drafting ability of john dorsey cloud my usually sane mind the "gut feel" football guys are dinosaurs and will be gone in 10 years. i never want to hear about it again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big poppa pump Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 51 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: This. THAT is analytics, not “a goddam computer doin’ tha draftin’”. It’s gathering data to show efficiency and inefficiencies. Only a damned moron wouldn’t apply the data or see its value. I mean call it what you want. It's pure stupidity on a coach's part to NOT do what your most successful at. It shows how truly out of depth that Freddie was. If you wanna call that analytics....great. There are high school coaches that watch film, and look at tendencies to figure out what the other team does in certain down and distances. With someone that is handing that info to you, and you still ignore it....then..you get fired. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I mean, I’m extremely confident and can say beyond a doubt that our entire HS staff is the most analytics driven team in Southwest Ohio, but in HS it’s easier to make in game decisions to that end due in large part to the lack of legitimate punting, kicking, and kickoff threats. For example, we are known for onside kicking CONSTANTLY, but we also did a thorough analytical analysis that our KO Coverage average field position was the 42, so forfeiting another 6-9 yards while having the opportunity for an extra possession was a no brainer. Similarly the same metrics should be used on draft picks, free agent money, etc, especially in the salary cap era/sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, MWil23 said: I mean, I’m extremely confident and can say beyond a doubt that our entire HS staff is the most analytics driven team in Southwest Ohio, but in HS it’s easier to make in game decisions to that end due in large part to the lack of legitimate punting, kicking, and kickoff threats. For example, we are known for onside kicking CONSTANTLY, but we also did a thorough analytical analysis that our KO Coverage average field position was the 42, so forfeiting another 6-9 yards while having the opportunity for an extra possession was a no brainer. Similarly the same metrics should be used on draft picks, free agent money, etc, especially in the salary cap era/sport. What was your teams 2019 record. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, NateDawg said: What was your teams 2019 record. We didn’t kickoff very much. Also: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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