2021 NFL Draft Thread

[OneTwoSixFive]

4 hours ago, Joe said:

So the guy can run a 4.2 40; what about his 3-cone time? What about his performance in agility drills?

Anyone remember Dontae Moch? Dude was 6-2, 230-something and ran a 4.4 as an ILB. How'd his NFL career turn out?

My version of that is SafetyTaylor Mays (2nd round pick of the 49ers in 2010). Ran a supposed 4.24 40 in the combine (later they re-adjusted it to a 4.43) but was stiff as a board. Was dumped by them the following year. Cincy picked him up and he lasted four years there but never made any real impact.

[Joe]

3 hours ago, OneTwoSixFive said:

My version of that is SafetyTaylor Mays (2nd round pick of the 49ers in 2010). Ran a supposed 4.24 40 in the combine (later they re-adjusted it to a 4.43) but was stiff as a board. Was dumped by them the following year. Cincy picked him up and he lasted four years there but never made any real impact.

Oh God I remember Mays as well. He was a part of a whole line of USC safeties that were all 6-2/6-3 220 that were known for huge hits and lightning fast speed but had no lateral ability whatsoever. Hell, they were late hit specialists before guys like Suh, Burfict, and others made it popular.

[Joe]

7 hours ago, vegas492 said:

Watch some of his film  Looks plenty agile and smooth to me.  Talking about Samuel, Jr.  I really like him.  He's got that attitude on the field like Jaire, too.

I wasn't talking about ASJ. I was talking about the slew of CB's running sub 4.4 40s this year. Guys like Stokes for example.

7 hours ago, cannondale said:

Still at OT/CB or CB/OT at 29 and 62. I go back and forth on which way gives the best value

Depending on those values, we may even try to trade up in the 2nd(if we're smart) and then draft multiple players of need on Day 3. I think it'll hinge on who is available at OT in the 1st. I could easily see us go OT in the first if the value is there, but could also see us go CB, then trade up in the 2nd for a falling OT as they tend to do. I remember when Bulaga was drafted, we all thought he'd go top-15 and we snagged him in the 20's. Would LOVE to see that happen with a Christian Darrisaw.

[gopackgo972]

What about this one,

 

Traded back from #29 to pick #34 (Gave up #135 and received #66) 

#34: Greg Newsome II - CB 

#62: Liam Eichenberg - OT

#66: Rondale Moore - WR

#92: Tyler Shelvin - DT

#142: Cam Sample - DT

#173: Camryn Bynum - CB

#178: Jermar Jefferson - RB

#214: Justin Hilliard - ILB

#222: Simi Fehoko - WR

#256: Brendan Jaimes - OT

[ThatJerkDave]

7 hours ago, Joe said:

Oh God I remember Mays as well. He was a part of a whole line of USC safeties that were all 6-2/6-3 220 that were known for huge hits and lightning fast speed but had no lateral ability whatsoever. Hell, they were late hit specialists before guys like Suh, Burfict, and others made it popular.

I believe that all mock drafts on this site had every team getting Taylor Mays either with their late first or early second.  Also every single one had Moch in the fourth.

[MantyWrestler]

13 hours ago, Joe said:

I wasn't talking about ASJ. I was talking about the slew of CB's running sub 4.4 40s this year. Guys like Stokes for example.

Depending on those values, we may even try to trade up in the 2nd(if we're smart) and then draft multiple players of need on Day 3. I think it'll hinge on who is available at OT in the 1st. I could easily see us go OT in the first if the value is there, but could also see us go CB, then trade up in the 2nd for a falling OT as they tend to do. I remember when Bulaga was drafted, we all thought he'd go top-15 and we snagged him in the 20's. Would LOVE to see that happen with a Christian Darrisaw.

I agree with this line of thinking. Question: why the heck am I seeing Darrisaw falling in so many mock drafts?

[MantyWrestler]

7 hours ago, gopackgo972 said:

What about this one,

 

Traded back from #29 to pick #34 (Gave up #135 and received #66) 

#34: Greg Newsome II - CB 

#62: Liam Eichenberg - OT

#66: Rondale Moore - WR

#92: Tyler Shelvin - DT

#142: Cam Sample - DT

#173: Camryn Bynum - CB

#178: Jermar Jefferson - RB

#214: Justin Hilliard - ILB

#222: Simi Fehoko - WR

#256: Brendan Jaimes - OT

I’d be surprised to see Moore there at #66. Bet he runs a crazy fast 40 and with what he did on the field he should be gone but who knows. 
Not sure I’d double up there at DT with Sample either although I do see the need to improve our crap DL 

[gopackgo972]

1 hour ago, MantyWrestler said:

I’d be surprised to see Moore there at #66. Bet he runs a crazy fast 40 and with what he did on the field he should be gone but who knows. 
Not sure I’d double up there at DT with Sample either although I do see the need to improve our crap DL 

Yeah there’s no way Moore is there at 66. I bet he’s gone in the first round

[CWood21]

20 hours ago, Dubz41 said:

So it'll be a WR because no one sees that coming this year. 

Rashod Bateman WR

I very much doubt we're going to take a WR in the first round.  SInce Gute took over, he's selected a CB (Jaire Alexander), Rashan Gary (EDGE), and Jordan Love (QB) with his first picks.  And if you want to include Darnell Savage as a FRP, then he still sticks to the positional value concept that was likely passed down from Wolf and Thompson.  I'd very much bet that our first pick will either be an OT, DL, or CB.

[CWood21]

2 hours ago, MantyWrestler said:

I agree with this line of thinking. Question: why the heck am I seeing Darrisaw falling in so many mock drafts?

I really don't think he's "falling" per se.  I think this what happens when people do a dozen mocks before the end fo the March, you tend to get some prospect fatigue.  And at a certain point, you try and create scenarios that aren't likely to happen.  I don't think he's falling, and I'd imagine most draft rooms are starting to finalize their rankings.  I think that 8-16 range is still his likely landing spot.

[CWood21]

1 hour ago, gopackgo972 said:

Yeah there’s no way Moore is there at 66. I bet he’s gone in the first round

Too injured, too small to go that early IMO.

[Packerraymond]

Melifonwu and Trill Williams with nice pro days. Both are long, both had 15+ reps on the bench so they profile as solid press corners. Both went sub 4.5.

Melifonwu is going to have to be a guy we take in round 1 or trade down for, Trill Williams is probably right around our 2nd as far as projection.

 

[Joe]

5 hours ago, MantyWrestler said:

I agree with this line of thinking. Question: why the heck am I seeing Darrisaw falling in so many mock drafts?

Because Slater is the hotter of the two LT's right now. Penei Sewell is the top-5, maybe top-10 pick with Darrisaw and Slater vying for that #2 ranking. Also, some are saying that Alijah Vera-Tucker may be able to kick out to Tackle; he's the Elgton Jenkins of this year's OL draft class from everything I've read.

 

3 hours ago, CWood21 said:

I think that 8-16 range is still his(Darrisaw) likely landing spot.

and that's a jump up from where he's been mocked as well. A lot of people were tying him to Indy or another pick around pick 20. If Teven Jenkins keeps heading up the boards, I could see Darrisaw falling a bit into the mid-20's though I think you'll see Radunz take a bigger jump first with Jenkins being selected almost immediately ahead of him or immediately behind him.

Personally, I got my top-5 OT's as:

1. Sewell
2. Darrisaw
3. Slater
4. Radunz
5. Mayfield

Jenkins is a close 6 and I have Radunz over Mayfield simply because he appears to be a better fit for our needs though that's not to say I'd be upset if we landed Mayfield by any means.

[cannondale]

I've only seen / heard one person / website have Radunz ranked in the same tier as Mayfield. Obviously I don't remember who / where. Everyone else seems to have him still in the 3rd Round somewhere. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places

[DWhitehurst]

Preaching to the choir, I know, but I'll say it anyways. These Mock Draft Simulators are fun, but their Big Board is not going to be exactly the same as each team's big board (which is never revealed to the fans), let alone another Mock Draft Simulator's. One team might have a Newsome or Mayfield in a higher tier on their big board than another team will.  It all depends on the evaluations (how they set their Big Board with its tiers) of the Packers Scouting Department, which, again, is something none of us gets to see. While their evaluations of each prospect aren't infallible, I would expect they stick to their big board, let that dictate. The danger is that we become conditioned to assume the big board of our favorite Mock Draft Simulator must be the same as an NFL team's, and then judge how that team ended up drafting on the basis of this. Take A.J. Dillon for example. Many mock draft sites had Dillon as around a 5th round guy on their sites, and so then when the Packers took him in round two, some fans were critical, suggesting the Packers "reached". Well, that again assumes that the big board of these Mock Draft Sites must be authoritative, the standard upon which to judge each NFL team's draft. That's very armchairish.

Edited March 20, 2021 by DWhitehurst