topwop1 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Pace had done an excellent job in rounds 2+ of the draft but if there's one major thing I'll criticize him for it's that his first round picks have been pretty average to bad... not counting the Mack trade. Kevin White - bust Floyd - average Mitchell - looking like bust Roquan - average And those are all top-10 picks. Now hopefully we won't be picking top-10 again for a while unless it's due to trade up but his 1st round hit rate has gotta change for the better going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I've said this before but you don't judge GMs on individual moves. You judge them based on the competitiveness of the teams they put together. If this defense continues to play well and the Bears sneak into the playoffs, you don't fire Pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonserinNC Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I think the bears are in the recycle bin this year. We are not really a young team, if the board doesn't fall our way i say best tackle. If the jets actually do just go Lawrence i say trade for Darnold. I saw ATL might go young, i would trade for Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 13 hours ago, WindyCity said: How many GMs have missed on a top 5 QB and been given another shot at it? Not many, although "top 5" is sort of an arbitrary cut-off point. Even if you extend that to where it should be...say, "top 25", the answer remains--not many. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 In regards to Rogers, it's a classic case of poor GMing. We chose Cedric Benson when we had Thomas Jones. We chose him even though he had serious character concerns and it was a luxury pick. We had Rex Grossman who had yet to stay healthy. We could of easily justified choosing Rogers as a "luxury pick" even Thomas Jones was very productive and Rex was a question mark. In regards to Pace - The problem is as with Angelo not enough shots at the QB position. GMs need to stop assuming they will be right, when there is an opportunity to take a QB you should get him. Packers had Favre and took Rogers, they didn't trade up he landed to them. That's smart GMing. Pace has taken how many QBs in the draft since he got here? That's why you should fire him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 44 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: Not many, although "top 5" is sort of an arbitrary cut-off point. Even if you extend that to where it should be...say, "top 25", the answer remains--not many. Why? Ozzie took a big shot with Kyle Bowler (sp) in the early 2000s to be the savior of the team. It didn't work, but he also is a HOF talent evaluator. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, Nads786 said: Ozzie took a big shot with Kyle Bowler (sp) in the early 2000s to be the savior of the team. It didn't work, but he also is a HOF talent evaluator. And Spielman drafted Ponder at #10 iirc. There are some other examples, too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkwdw13 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 15 hours ago, WindyCity said: All 3 had more success than Mitch. Why are you ready to give him another chance beside blind faith? Grossman and Orton didn't have more success than Trubisky, saying they did is just revisionist history. Now I am not saying Trubisky is good but those two weren't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nads786 said: Ozzie took a big shot with Kyle Bowler (sp) in the early 2000s to be the savior of the team. It didn't work, but he also is a HOF talent evaluator. He was picked 17 Ponder was 12 Stretch it to top 10, GMs don’t survive busting on really high QBs. Edited October 3, 2020 by WindyCity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, blkwdw13 said: Grossman and Orton didn't have more success than Trubisky, saying they did is just revisionist history. Now I am not saying Trubisky is good but those two weren't either. They did have more success. I didn’t say they were better players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 6 hours ago, topwop1 said: Pace had done an excellent job in rounds 2+ of the draft but if there's one major thing I'll criticize him for it's that his first round picks have been pretty average to bad... not counting the Mack trade. Kevin White - bust Floyd - average Mitchell - looking like bust Roquan - average And those are all top-10 picks. Now hopefully we won't be picking top-10 again for a while unless it's due to trade up but his 1st round hit rate has gotta change for the better going forward. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me 4 times and .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkwdw13 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 minute ago, WindyCity said: They did have more success. I didn’t say they were better players. Worse winning percentages, lower TD rates, higer interception rates, less yards per game. I can see how you see they had more success, but they didn't your hatred is getting in the way like always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, blkwdw13 said: Worse winning percentages, lower TD rates, higer interception rates, less yards per game. I can see how you see they had more success, but they didn't your hatred is getting in the way like always. Apologies, I meant to say we (the Bears) had more success with Grossman, Orton, and Cutler. The Grossman, Orton, Cutler days were better for us, which is the opposite of what the post I was quoting said. Edited October 3, 2020 by WindyCity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 If you're going to trade for a QB I don't see why you waste a pick on a one year rental like Darnold. Might as well re-sign Tru to a one year deal if you're that determined to have a backup level QB. Aim higher or just draft them to have for 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Uhhhh... Bray elevated, which isn't a case of protecting him, so is trubisky getting traded? If so, hope it's pats or chiefs, maybe he gets the brain transplant he needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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