notthatbluestuff Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Such a storied franchise, such a seemingly bleak future. Daniel Jones on IR and there's major doubts as to whether he's even the answer. Coaching staff looks to be on life support. GM has one foot out the door. Saquon Barkley being wasted. Defense isn't bad - but it keeps the team just good enough to miss the highest draft picks, yet bad enough to stop the team from being considered as a playoff threat by any definition. How long do you give the NY Giants until they're A) among the favorites for the SB? and B) able to beat out the competition in their own division? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Until 2029 They win a super bowl every decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 an 8 but on its side 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 They need to rebuild the QB position and OL, those things could either happen next year or not for 10 years and by then all the young pieces you have are gone. The Giants have a short window to find a QB to maximize Barkley, Toney, etc. as well as the defensive pieces they have. I don't have much faith that will happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Give them an o-line, give them a pass rush, give them a OC, give them a GM who knows how to build a roster, give them a coach who does anything than try to be this strict parent, give us eternal health and we good to go baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUGmen Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Completely clean house and move on from Jones/Saquon, as well. Potentially two top 5 picks is an attractive situation for a new GM/HC. They won’t clean house and will likely just fire DG and give Judge/Jones another year. Then we will have a new GM who comes in with a HC who is “not his guy”. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Currently it's a LONG ways away. The Jaguars got the chosen one at QB and they seem as far away as the Giants. Need a coaching and regime change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Too hard to predict this stuff in today's NFL. You either luck into a quarterback or you don't. Could be two years could be 20. Miami hasn't had one since the late 90s 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeptunePenguins Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 2028 is when they will beat an AFC East team in the Super Bowl again or the Broncos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 I'm not holding my breath - there's a lot to correct on that roster, let alone coaching and FO. Getting a new GM and HC is a start, and finding a QB is going to accelerate the process. There are components to a quick rebuild here, but the three most important things are lacking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 20 hours ago, DannyB said: Too hard to predict this stuff in today's NFL. You either luck into a quarterback or you don't. Could be two years could be 20. Miami hasn't had one since the late 90s Yeah, there is no way of predicting from a time interval perspective. But form a personnel standpoint? They are as far away as any other team, including the Texans. The only thing they've got right now are bits and pieces- Andrew Thomas is the most valuable asset on the team, then we've got some young talent in players like Xavier Mckinney, Leonard Williams, Kenny Golladay, Kadarius Toney, Azeez Ojulari, and Dexter Lawrence, and we've got some not-so-young talent in guys like Blake Martinez, James Bradberry, Adoree Jackson, and Logan Ryan. But they are all role players and not guys who can take a franchise somewhere on their own. We are severely lacking at the most important positions in football- QB and OL, and our HC is in over his head and our FO is inept. Ultimately, we could be back to winning next year if ownership boots Gettleman and Judge, makes a good decision in the GM/HC hiring, and we acquire a QB (whether that is getting lucky in the draft or trading for someone like Russell Wilson). Or, ownership could refuse to admit their mistakes, not do any of that, and continue to make the same mistakes and we'll be bad for 20 years until something major happens. It's not time that determines a rebuild, it is the personnel. We've seen time and time again teams consistently get it wrong and be stuck in constant rebuild (Giants now, Jets, Jags, Washington, Browns for a long time). Then we've seen teams make the right decisions and be competitive almost instantly (Browns now, Seattle in 2012). You don't need years to create a good team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 On 12/20/2021 at 4:25 PM, notthatbluestuff said: Such a storied franchise, such a seemingly bleak future. Daniel Jones on IR and there's major doubts as to whether he's even the answer. Coaching staff looks to be on life support. GM has one foot out the door. Saquon Barkley being wasted. Defense isn't bad - but it keeps the team just good enough to miss the highest draft picks, yet bad enough to stop the team from being considered as a playoff threat by any definition. How long do you give the NY Giants until they're A) among the favorites for the SB? and B) able to beat out the competition in their own division? Saquon can't get out of his own way. He is very injury prone and he's either permanently lost a step, or the ankle injury and ACL recovery and taking a toll on him this year. Devontae Booker is the better, more explosive back this year. That's not to say the Giants aren't also not utilizing him correctly, but the main problem is his ability. 19 hours ago, ET80 said: I'm not holding my breath - there's a lot to correct on that roster, let alone coaching and FO. Getting a new GM and HC is a start, and finding a QB is going to accelerate the process. There are components to a quick rebuild here, but the three most important things are lacking. If the Giants hire Kevin Abrams from in house to be the next GM and extend Saquon, I may pull an ET80 on this team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 I think they can be a competitive playoff team as early as next season. They have a lot of good to very good players in defense, and some very good to great offensive skill players. It's the offensive line and QB play/injuries that has really derailed them. I think they should go back to back offensive line in the draft--there are some nice players where they project to pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Probably 3 years to put together a squad that is respectable 5-6 to have a chance at competing for anything. The franchise really screwed themselves late last decade being completely delusional on where they were at and specifically how long Eli’s window was. When they changed course and said they were building around Eli and drafted Barkley, they did massive damage when they needed to start a rebuild. Jones being meh on top of it pushed back their timeline. They basically had a ship that new captain and needed to dock to repair some leaks and instead tricked themselves into going on a courage destined to fail and did even more damage that where they don’t even really have a base to build on and are almost better starting completely over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheatieMan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) These things work in cycles. They made two historic runs. Now they have to suck for years. A lot of it has been bad luck since (with crazy amounts of injuries to key personnel seemingly every year), but it's just been a bad job all around by Mara. He doesn't think outside the box. And they missed on a lot of picks (Thomas OT looks decent though). I think you draft a QB and start over. Judge isn't the answer. It's a 3-4 year project. If they continue with this nucleus, they could be a 9 win team at best if everything goes right this offseason. They won't be contenders next year barring Jones and Barkley working miracles. Edited December 22, 2021 by WheatieMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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