Forge Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, UncleAdamz said: What kind of pick do you think he is worth? It’s a bit unfortunate that we might be trading him after a down season (for him at least), but there’s likely no use in keeping him around for another year. I think you could get back a second maybe. Julio was traded for a second and he was long in the tooth as well. If I were the Giants, I wouldn't look into at least. If not a second, certainly a third. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Forge said: I think you could get back a second maybe. Julio was traded for a second and he was long in the tooth as well. If I were the Giants, I wouldn't look into at least. If not a second, certainly a third. 2nd is probably high end. Injuries, suspension history, wanting a new contract hurt his value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, squire12 said: 2nd is probably high end. Injuries, suspension history, wanting a new contract hurt his value I would think Amari is kinda the comp trade. Browns would also make sense as the destination in some ways lol. Use John Johnson III money to attempt to make the Watson trade work the best it can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Trojan said: I would think Amari is kinda the comp trade. Browns would also make sense as the destination in some ways lol. Use John Johnson III money to attempt to make the Watson trade work the best it can. The reason why I don't use Amari as the comp trade is because it was already out there that he was going to be cut and then they traded him after the fact. Thats the Anquan Boldin thing too. I'm assuming that this is a situation where Arizona is like "yeah, we are going to try and trade him, but we aren't going to cut him just because" which makes me think more Julio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 14 minutes ago, squire12 said: 2nd is probably high end. Injuries, suspension history, wanting a new contract hurt his value Definitely depends on if he gets a new contract. We've seen that nerf his value once before, it could certainly do it again. If there's no new deal, 2/34 is a good rate for him for a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, UncleAdamz said: What kind of pick do you think he is worth? It’s a bit unfortunate that we might be trading him after a down season (for him at least), but there’s likely no use in keeping him around for another year. I’m not really sure how it’d work with his cap hits (maybe @Forge would know better), that plays a big part of it IMO. If he does want to be extended and you can play with the numbers/hits, I’d really consider a second as NE. Even with an older Hopkins, who is still a high end receiver for now, NE’s weapons go from “uninspiring” to “pretty dangerous”. EDIT: Makes me think who else could be available from Arizona with a clean slate. Kyler probably won’t be healthy until late 2023. Not exactly a team ripe with talent, but a guy like Budda Baker’s extremely attractive if they’re going for a full fire sale. Edited January 11, 2023 by Yin-Yang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleAdamz Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Also is interesting considering we don’t actually have a real GM right now, makes you wonder if it is Bidwill calling the shots. If it isn’t Bidwill making this decision then we might just be moving forward with Adrian Wilson as GM. Also could just be a rumor without much substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iknowcool Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Herbert with Hopkins would be... lord. But do the Chargers have the capital and money to make it work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhanYouDigIt Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 minute ago, iknowcool said: Herbert with Hopkins would be... lord. But do the Chargers have the capital and money to make it work? Hop, Allen and Williams/Hop, Ridley, Kirk and Zay would all be filthy WR cores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KhanYouDigIt said: Hop, Allen and Williams/Hop, Ridley, Kirk and Zay would all be filthy WR cores. I agree, but you would have to move Zay. Or someone. That's too many mouths to feed in the passing game with 4 WRs + Engram. Jags IMO are better off sitting still with their group (Ridley and Kirk will be a filthy duo) and improving in other areas. Just realized Engram is a 1 year deal though. Do you expect the Jags to re-sign him? I also think the Chargers would be wise to move on from Williams or Allen in that scenario. Hopkins/Williams/Allen looks great on paper but I wonder how well they would complement each other on the field. Not to mention Ekeler who eats so many targets as is. Edited January 11, 2023 by iknowcool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 16 minutes ago, KhanYouDigIt said: Kind of don't like the fit for either. Both could use someone to break the roof of a defense. That said, it's hopkins, so you just make it work regardless of the styles, but I think there's probably some diminishing returns there, tbh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Shocker. D-hop wants out of the AZ dysfunctional mess to go to California or Florida. 👌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhanYouDigIt Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, iknowcool said: I agree, but you would have to move Zay. Or someone. That's too many mouths to feed in the passing game with 4 WRs + Engram. Just realized Engram is a 1 year deal though. Do you expect the Jags to re-sign him? I also think the Chargers would be wise to move on from Williams or Allen in that scenario. Hopkins/Williams/Allen looks great on paper but I wonder how well they would complement each other on the field. Not to mention Ekeler who eats so many targets as is. I don’t think Hopkins to the Jags happens but it’s cool to hear someone actually wants to go to Jax, especially a player of his caliber. Like you said a lot of mouths to feed and I think Engram will be brought back. He’s been great for us and he seems to love Jax. One of the hardest workers on the team. Zay essentially has one year left on his deal. Can save 8M if they released him after 2023 but he’s been a good #2 this year. Just a little inconsistent. Jags should focus on beefing up the interior OL, mainly LG but I wouldn’t blame them for going all in with Trevor on his rookie deal. Maybe a Zay/picks for Hopkins swap. Idk, just spitballing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Forge said: I didn't feel like starting a new rumor thread yet Please, God. Just not the Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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